Ladies come in second to last in DMR
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64 sec. on the 400M leg, no idea, but gotta believe that Verdier either got hurt or dropped the baton at some point. They were out of it after that so my guess is that Reid was told to back off and save it for tmrw. But I could be wrong.
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Bastards at Penn Relays have made online viewing pay for play. It has been free up to this year.
TwoDecks, have to agree with you. Based on the times of the first two legs, something happend. Lipari wasn't even in the race. Verdier either pulled or was knocked down or they lost the baton. Two bad. that was the best chance of any of the VU relay teams. Georgetown wins the 4x1500.
The description of the race at Penn Relays website does not mention a baton drop for Villanova. Absent that, it had to be the massive pressure on the girls, what with all the talk of breaking the world record and running at home. Sheila Reid got the baton today at 6:42.67 -- when the girls won the NCAA title earlier this year she received the baton at 6:22.63 -- a full 20 seconds slower after 3 legs. No reason to run a hard 1600 at that point. This has to go down as one of the biggest disappointments in the program's history.
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1 Georgetown 10:51.49
Renee Tomlin (3:19.81), Amanda Kimbers (54.54), Chelsea Cox (2:05.58), Emily Infeld (4:31.56) AE
2 Tennessee 10:56.20
Liz Costello (3:24.20), Ellen Wortham (51.64), Chanelle Price (2:04.27), Brittany Sheffey (4:36.09) AA
3 Virginia 10:57.13
Morgane Gay (3:21.68), Ayla Smith (53.64), Lyndsay Harper (2:07.58), Stephanie Garcia (4:34.23) AC
4 Duke 11:02.01
Esther Vermeer (3:26.14), Cydney Ross (54.13), Devotia Moore (2:07.66), Kate Van Buskirk (4:34.08) AG
5 BYU 11:07.22
Katie Palmer (3:23.27), Porshe Giddings (52.59), Lacey Bleazard (2:06.50), Kari Hardt (4:44.86) AF
6 Michigan 11:07.76
Danielle Tauro (3:27.70), Alisha Cole (55.20), Rebecca Addison (2:04.19), Jillian Smith (4:40.67)
AD
7 Yale 11:12.08
Kate Grace (3:19.53), Gabriella Kelly (56.34), Annalies Gamble (2:09.45), Nihal Kayali (4:46.76) AJ
8 Dartmouth 11:16.02
Christina Supino (3:25.37), Alexandra Tanner (54.82), Monica Adler (2:14.63), Abbey D'Agostino (4:41.20) AI
9 Indiana 11:17.09
Breanne Ehrman (3:27.09), Ann-Marie Clarke (54.80), Jordan Gray (2:09.27), Chelsea Blanchard (4:45.94) AO
10 LSU 11:20.15
Charlene Lipsey (3:26.78), Siedda Herbert (55.11), Brittany Hall (2:08.65), Laura Carleton (4:49.61) AN
11 Texas 11:20.93
Julie Amthor (3:33.42), Kendra Chambers (54.18), Marielle Hall (2:10.63), Betzy Jimenez (4:42.70) AH
12 Cornell 11:22.15
Alyssa O'Connor (3:27.62), Bryony Bonavita (56.68), Kim Standridge (2:07.97), Janel Parker (4:49.88) AL
13 Villanova 11:26.49
Emily Lipari (3:27.18), Christie Verdier (64.73), Ariann Neutts (2:10.76), Sheila Reid (4:43.83) AB
14 Stony Brook 11:31.92
Lucy Van Dalen (3:19.87), Laquasha Hall (57.65), Page Price (2:13.40), Annie Keown (5:01.00)
This post was edited on 4/28 8:31 PM by LSU-Nit
This post was edited on 4/28 8:41 PM by LSU-Nit
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1 Georgetown 10:51.49
Renee Tomlin (3:19.81), Amanda Kimbers (54.54), Chelsea Cox (2:05.58), Emily Infeld (4:31.56) AE
2 Tennessee 10:56.20
Liz Costello (3:24.20), Ellen Wortham (51.64), Chanelle Price (2:04.27), Brittany Sheffey (4:36.09) AA
3 Virginia 10:57.13
Morgane Gay (3:21.68), Ayla Smith (53.64), Lyndsay Harper (2:07.58), Stephanie Garcia (4:34.23) AC
4 Duke 11:02.01
Esther Vermeer (3:26.14), Cydney Ross (54.13), Devotia Moore (2:07.66), Kate Van Buskirk (4:34.08) AG
5 BYU 11:07.22
Katie Palmer (3:23.27), Porshe Giddings (52.59), Lacey Bleazard (2:06.50), Kari Hardt (4:44.86) AF
6 Michigan 11:07.76
Danielle Tauro (3:27.70), Alisha Cole (55.20), Rebecca Addison (2:04.19), Jillian Smith (4:40.67)
AD
7 Yale 11:12.08
Kate Grace (3:19.53), Gabriella Kelly (56.34), Annalies Gamble (2:09.45), Nihal Kayali (4:46.76) AJ
8 Dartmouth 11:16.02
Christina Supino (3:25.37), Alexandra Tanner (54.82), Monica Adler (2:14.63), Abbey D'Agostino (4:41.20) AI
9 Indiana 11:17.09
Breanne Ehrman (3:27.09), Ann-Marie Clarke (54.80), Jordan Gray (2:09.27), Chelsea Blanchard (4:45.94) AO
10 LSU 11:20.15
Charlene Lipsey (3:26.78), Siedda Herbert (55.11), Brittany Hall (2:08.65), Laura Carleton (4:49.61) AN
11 Texas 11:20.93
Julie Amthor (3:33.42), Kendra Chambers (54.18), Marielle Hall (2:10.63), Betzy Jimenez (4:42.70) AH
12 Cornell 11:22.15
Alyssa O'Connor (3:27.62), Bryony Bonavita (56.68), Kim Standridge (2:07.97), Janel Parker (4:49.88) AL
13 Villanova 11:26.49
Emily Lipari (3:27.18), Christie Verdier (64.73), Ariann Neutts (2:10.76), Sheila Reid (4:43.83) AB
14 Stony Brook 11:31.92
Lucy Van Dalen (3:19.87), Laquasha Hall (57.65), Page Price (2:13.40), Annie Keown (5:01.00)
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This post was edited on 4/28 8:41 PM by LSU-Nit
Don't buy the idea of "pressure". Something happened.
Several yeas back, Hayden dropped the baton on the first leg. Was near the start and he got knocked around. And there was a bad exchange between 400 & 800 legs. 800 leg was Paul Moser.
Several yeas back, Hayden dropped the baton on the first leg. Was near the start and he got knocked around. And there was a bad exchange between 400 & 800 legs. 800 leg was Paul Moser.
Yes -- speculation about a dropped baton is correct -- evidently Verdier dropped the baton shortly after getting it -- not on the hand off, but soon thereafter. At least that was said in the MSNBC story on the race.
DMR story by MSNBC
DMR story by MSNBC
Don't buy the idea of "pressure" = Someone who has never run on a Nova Relay before. BTW, 400 leg was Paul Moser, 800 leg was Jason Jabaut. Some fan you are.
And no, today was not the biggest disappointment in Penn Relays history. The biggest disappointment would have to be when Arkansas and other big programs started showing up every year. Not as easy to sweep the relays when your biggest competition isn't Manhattan College.
And no, today was not the biggest disappointment in Penn Relays history. The biggest disappointment would have to be when Arkansas and other big programs started showing up every year. Not as easy to sweep the relays when your biggest competition isn't Manhattan College.
realfan, relax. And lay off lsunit. The guy knows his Nova track. Too bad about today's race. They would have been right in it if not for that problem. Though Gtown was tough today. 10:51 is a smoking time, only 3 sec. off the 88 team's WR.
Sidenote: Gina better be camped out in the great state of DE over the next year. Haley Pierce is a big time talent and has been since the 9th grade. Her old teammate Juliet Bottorff ended up at Duke, can't let them happen again for a kid right down the road from Nova. She ran the 8th fastest 3K time for a HS girl in history today and beat Aisling Cuffing.
Hopefully the ladies bounce back tmrw.
This post was edited on 4/29 9:30 AM by novaclassof90
Sidenote: Gina better be camped out in the great state of DE over the next year. Haley Pierce is a big time talent and has been since the 9th grade. Her old teammate Juliet Bottorff ended up at Duke, can't let them happen again for a kid right down the road from Nova. She ran the 8th fastest 3K time for a HS girl in history today and beat Aisling Cuffing.
Hopefully the ladies bounce back tmrw.
This post was edited on 4/29 9:30 AM by novaclassof90
Realfan, like Novaclass90 said, relax and loosen your shorts. If you go to the Penn Relays every year and root for VU, there is a lot of disppointment.
It was me, not LSU-Nit who made the comment about the exchange and Moser. I guess I was wrong about Moser running the 800 leg. Glad you corrected it, but it misses the point. Stuff happens.
Guess you are a much better VU fan than I am. Make you feel better?
Novaclass90, there are some outstanding girls coming out next year who are all in VU's recruitng territory. Pierce is one and Agee Wilson (NJ) is another. These are must signs. There are others like Kyle Plante (NY), but those two stand out.
It was me, not LSU-Nit who made the comment about the exchange and Moser. I guess I was wrong about Moser running the 800 leg. Glad you corrected it, but it misses the point. Stuff happens.
Guess you are a much better VU fan than I am. Make you feel better?
Novaclass90, there are some outstanding girls coming out next year who are all in VU's recruitng territory. Pierce is one and Agee Wilson (NJ) is another. These are must signs. There are others like Kyle Plante (NY), but those two stand out.
I do go to Penn Relays and root for VU every year, but I do not think we are watching the same meet. I see a group of talented, hardworking kids that have wonderful coaches line up against the best relays teams in the COUNTRY. I'm not sure if some of you have noticed the transition, but Penn has become a national event in the collegiate relays in the past 30 years. That makes it tougher to win the wheels.
What I also see is a wonderful group of students and young alumni that congregate and cheer for their squads year in and year out. I think they would disagree with you that there is "a lot of disappointment" on a yearly basis. There might be "a lot of disappointment" for some of you crusty old guys that remember the "good old days" of the 60s and 70s, but you are remiss to think that the depth in talent and recruiting is as shallow now as it was back then.
While I am as proud of our history at Penn as the next person, I understand that this history puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the athletes. Anyone who "does not buy" into that pressure either does not understand the mystique of the program and its relationship with the meet, or is completely ignorant.
I keep being told to relax, but I think it is some of you who need to relax and put the sport, the school, the coaches, and the athletes in the proper perspective. Villanova no longer has a stranglehold on the top talent in the world. Penn Relays is no longer a regional draw. Jumbo Elliot is no longer the coach. "The Mighty Burner" isn't the kind of talent you should expect to recruit every five years. Ford is no longer the most powerful automobile maker in the world and the Berlin wall does not exist anymore.
If you cannot come to grips with these developments, then Penn Relays will continue to be a disappointment for all of you. For the rest of us, we will continue to cheer our squad and not be so ready to lament the "good old days" when we go a year (or two) without a wheel.
What I also see is a wonderful group of students and young alumni that congregate and cheer for their squads year in and year out. I think they would disagree with you that there is "a lot of disappointment" on a yearly basis. There might be "a lot of disappointment" for some of you crusty old guys that remember the "good old days" of the 60s and 70s, but you are remiss to think that the depth in talent and recruiting is as shallow now as it was back then.
While I am as proud of our history at Penn as the next person, I understand that this history puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the athletes. Anyone who "does not buy" into that pressure either does not understand the mystique of the program and its relationship with the meet, or is completely ignorant.
I keep being told to relax, but I think it is some of you who need to relax and put the sport, the school, the coaches, and the athletes in the proper perspective. Villanova no longer has a stranglehold on the top talent in the world. Penn Relays is no longer a regional draw. Jumbo Elliot is no longer the coach. "The Mighty Burner" isn't the kind of talent you should expect to recruit every five years. Ford is no longer the most powerful automobile maker in the world and the Berlin wall does not exist anymore.
If you cannot come to grips with these developments, then Penn Relays will continue to be a disappointment for all of you. For the rest of us, we will continue to cheer our squad and not be so ready to lament the "good old days" when we go a year (or two) without a wheel.
Hi RealFan. I agree with you that one should not have 1960s and 1970s expectations for the team, since (as you say) the meet is a much bigger and more competitive meet than it used to be. From a personal perspective, I never criticize the VU runners individually, since I am in no position to understand what is going on with their fitness, injuries, personal lives, etc. I think that's the best policy when being a fan of college-age kids. The only reason I said that the Women's DMR was a major disappointment this year was because they were such prohibitive favorites and people were actually talking about threatening the world record. I certainly don't expect them to win every year, but this year was, I thought, different. Finally, since I am the one who proposed the "nerves and pressure" problem, I myself do not underestimate just how pressure-packed the situation is for the Villanova athletes. Every year Marcus talks about the "love-hate" relationship he has with the Penn Relays -- with the "hate" part being due to the pressure on every one.
Check out my Villanova Running blog (via www.runnova.com or www.villanovarunning.blogspot.com) and you'll see that virtually everything on there is very positive about these kids. No cheap shots and no blame, only highlighting the achievements that they are able to accomplish.
Check out my Villanova Running blog (via www.runnova.com or www.villanovarunning.blogspot.com) and you'll see that virtually everything on there is very positive about these kids. No cheap shots and no blame, only highlighting the achievements that they are able to accomplish.
It was clear that no matter what anyone in the media said the women were going to be challanged this year. They were not a prohibitive favorite. If Oregon had come, I would have made them the favorite. They were close indoors and did not run their best 800m runner. I'm not saying Villanova couldn't have beaten their best, but it would have taken an outstanding effort. As for Georgetown, the Mt. Sac results showed they were going to be tough, too.
It's a little puzzling that recruiting has gone the way it has after two national championships. Clearly another very strong miler type is needed. I think Lipari will be very good next year.
It's a little puzzling that recruiting has gone the way it has after two national championships. Clearly another very strong miler type is needed. I think Lipari will be very good next year.
excattyguy, totally agree on Lipari. I think she will be very good at Big East this year (we host which helps) and then at NCAA reg's and hopefully an AA perf. at Nationals. She is a stud, we need a few more in the upcoming recruiting classes.