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Been a pretty crazy season. The Rangers are like 41-11-3 since December. And with I give them equal odds of going back to the final or losing in round one or two of the playoffs. I do not see an easy team in the final 8 of either conference. Kings with an absolutely brutal loss last night. Very good chance they miss the cut.

We'll see how they do in the playoffs, but the Caps look really good on a lot of nights. Maybe Ovechkin's best year as a pro all in all. Who would I like to avoid in the playoffs? Detroit and TB. Rangers are undersized but team speed has given a lot of teams problems. Defensively excellent up and down, and their puck movement is probably the best in the league.

btw - a somewhat disgraceful night by the Devils last night. No need. They made themselves look pretty bad. Were not even paying attention to the puck on some shifts.

League needs to address lack of scoring again.
 
I think I heard stat today that the Flyers are 13-1-5 in their last 18 vs playoff teams or teams ahead of them, something like that. Yet, they lose to the teams below them regularly. Makes perfect sense.

Mason has had a pretty good year outside of some nagging injuries. When playing he's been pretty good. This team desperately needs a #1 and #2 D-man. They have a bunch of 3's, 4's, and 5's. Hopefully, some of those kids they have pan out in a year or two. Not an easy position to fill.
 
What happened to the Pens? Boy did they collapse.
 
Dmill---read an interesting article about game theory and the third point in NHL games. It essentially said that there is little incentive for teams to try and win most of the time. Get your point and have it out in OT. If scoring is indeed down, then this could be part of it.

Wings clinging to a playoff spot. Very possible that they end up playing the Rangers.
 
Originally posted by adp98:
What happened to the Pens? Boy did they collapse.
The city of pittsburgh is in full meltdown mode. Firing the coach (again), rumors flying around about trading malkin or crosby, people calling for Mario to sell the team, etc. etc. The level of petulance in the fan base is reaching an all time high, and somewhat justifiably so. Injuries or no injuries, there is no reason to miss the playoffs if malkin and crosby are both productive and relatively healthy for a full season.
 
Originally posted by LizReed:
Dmill---read an interesting article about game theory and the third point in NHL games. It essentially said that there is little incentive for teams to try and win most of the time. Get your point and have it out in OT. If scoring is indeed down, then this could be part of it.

Wings clinging to a playoff spot. Very possible that they end up playing the Rangers.
Been talk about this idea for a few years and it makes sense. Goofy sport right? Where a team that plays it tight and finds a way to the 8 seed by chipping away with OTL's can squeak in and do real damage. As has been born our a few times, some teams are build well for the 82 game haul and some are built for the 2 month sprint.

I think it's a combination of things. In no particular order

1) They still allow way to much holding, interference and obstruction.
2) Goalie equipment is gigantic in every way. Cut down the pads, the chest protectors, the glove sizes and the waffle. Cut it all by half if you can, but cut it back.
3) There are fewer under-skilled players. Less goons means more good skaters. More good skaters means less opportunity to expose a weak link.
4) Playing for the tie - still see a LOT of trapping, especially late in games. Teams just shut it down. For all their ability to skate and move the puck, Rangers excelled at defensive hockey this year. Very good at transitioning from attack to defend mode. They were not alone. Habs, Wings, Blues, Hawks and Predators did this all year as well.
5) Skill players are not given the environment to be on full display every night.
6)The schedule is too long. Makes for a lot of nights where teams do not have the legs to run and gun, but have just enough energy to play sound D. Lot of early week 2-1 shootouts as the 3rd game in 4 nights.


It's funny - the game is probably played at a higher pace than it's ever been played, and yet the scoring is down historically this year. Worst since the early 1960s' i believe. The Art Ross winner probably will not have 86 points. One player will score 50+. I'd like to see that change significantly.
 
Originally posted by KennyTheKangaroo:
Originally posted by adp98:
What happened to the Pens? Boy did they collapse.
The city of pittsburgh is in full meltdown mode. Firing the coach (again), rumors flying around about trading malkin or crosby, people calling for Mario to sell the team, etc. etc. The level of petulance in the fan base is reaching an all time high, and somewhat justifiably so. Injuries or no injuries, there is no reason to miss the playoffs if malkin and crosby are both productive and relatively healthy for a full season.
Losing Letang has really hurt in a lot of ways. He's their best leader and a very good player. And I think its possible he is done for good. With all due respect to Hornqvist, he's not James Neal. Lot of other injuries all year. Malkin, Dupuis, Ehrhoff. Took a few other hits in Orpik and Niskanen to the cap. Funny thing is they have been rather solid defensively for a change.
 
Kenny, it was great being back in the Burgh for the tourney (NC state game withstanding). I rarely ever get back and was impressed with all thhe development downtown. They have done an outstanding rebuilding that area and bringing people back into the city. Great to see.
 
Originally posted by Ninetynine5.0:
Losing Letang has really hurt in a lot of ways. He's their best leader and a very good player. And I think its possible he is done for good. With all due respect to Hornqvist, he's not James Neal. Lot of other injuries all year. Malkin, Dupuis, Ehrhoff. Took a few other hits in Orpik and Niskanen to the cap. Funny thing is they have been rather solid defensively for a change.
As usual, dmil has some salient points. The neal trade had to be done though because a.) that team needed a shakeup b.) he was the most tradable asset c.) he (like everyone else on the team) underwhelmed in the playoffs. So to that extent, Neal was a move that kind of had to be done.

Younger guys that needed to develop have not due to injury or just ineptitude. They aquired Steve Downie and while it was nice to have some grit, he is a large reason why the pens lead the league in game misconducts.

If they miss the playoffs and fire Johnston, I'm very curious to see what happens next. A lot of fans believed Babcock would be available after this season, but honestly if you are Mike Babcock, why would you want this job? The last two coaches got run out of town, why do that do yourself?

And bmoneys is wrong about fluery.
 
Originally posted by adp98:
Kenny, it was great being back in the Burgh for the tourney (NC state game withstanding). I rarely ever get back and was impressed with all thhe development downtown. They have done an outstanding rebuilding that area and bringing people back into the city. Great to see.
I graduated from pitt in 2007 and its crazy to see how much has changed downtown since then. Consol isnt exactly great, but what has happened in market square, the cultural district, etc. is crazy. It is actually a viable option to go downtown to socialize and whatnot.
 
Might have been Fluery's best season all things considered. And despite some pretty big personnel issues, they are way too talented to be sweating out a playoff spot on 4/18/15. Not sure if that's coching or what.

I do NOT see Babcock becoming available. Maybe Dave Tippet, but probably not. They could end up with a top 2 pick, and added to their existing young prospects, they have a chance to be really friggin good in a couple years.
 
I'm wrong about Fleury, huh?

here are his save % in the playoffs each year:

13-14: .913
12-13: .883
11-12: .834
10-11: .899
09-10: .891

Penguins have the most goals in the playoffs and have the 2nd best goals per game in the playoffs since 2007
 
Originally posted by Ninetynine5.0:
Might have been Fluery's best season all things considered. And despite some pretty big personnel issues, they are way too talented to be sweating out a playoff spot on 4/18/15. Not sure if that's coching or what.

I do NOT see Babcock becoming available. Maybe Dave Tippet, but probably not. They could end up with a top 2 pick, and added to their existing young prospects, they have a chance to be really friggin good in a couple years.
Babcock to Flyers in off season after Berube is fired.
 
Originally posted by wcburrs87:
I think I heard stat today that the Flyers are 13-1-5 in their last 18 vs playoff teams or teams ahead of them, something like that. Yet, they lose to the teams below them regularly. Makes perfect sense.

Mason has had a pretty good year outside of some nagging injuries. When playing he's been pretty good. This team desperately needs a #1 and #2 D-man. They have a bunch of 3's, 4's, and 5's. Hopefully, some of those kids they have pan out in a year or two. Not an easy position to fill.
Goofy sport, man. As if anyone didnt know that...
 
Flyers losing to Canes,1-0, after two. It would be their 12th straight loss to a non-playoff team. Ha ha ha ha, you can't make it up.
 
Originally posted by wcburrs87:
Flyers losing to Canes,1-0, after two. It would be their 12th straight loss to a non-playoff team. Ha ha ha ha, you can't make it up.
Great against good teams. Terrible against bad teams. It's what you get in a sport with a bouncing piece of rubber.
 
Originally posted by gldendog:

Originally posted by wcburrs87:
Flyers losing to Canes,1-0, after two. It would be their 12th straight loss to a non-playoff team. Ha ha ha ha, you can't make it up.
Great against good teams. Terrible against bad teams. It's what you get in a sport with a bouncing piece of rubber.
No, it's what you get when you don't have the right group of players.

Anyway - fairly surprising night with the Kings not making the post season. I would be somewhat surprised to see any other team but the Hawks or NAS win the Cup from the West. In the East - it's kind of anyone's game. Lot of very good teams. NYR, Caps, TB, MTL, BOS ( if they make it) islanders - almost anyone capable of making a final.
 
More times than not when you don't have the right group of players (aka - a team that isn't good enough) is a team unable to beat good teams. Those numbers are bizarre and certainly not the norm. It's the same as say the Phoenix Suns beating a bunch of playoff teams, but being 0-12 vs the likes of the Nuggets, Kings, Pistons, T'Wolves, etc....
 
Kings eliminated from the playoffs.

gonna be weird not seeing them there, but it'll be interesting to see teams like Calgary and Winnipeg
 
Originally posted by gldendog:

It's what you get in a sport with a bouncing piece of rubber.
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Originally posted by wcburrs87:
More times than not when you don't have the right group of players (aka - a team that isn't good enough) is a team unable to beat good teams. Those numbers are bizarre and certainly not the norm. It's the same as say the Phoenix Suns beating a bunch of playoff teams, but being 0-12 vs the likes of the Nuggets, Kings, Pistons, T'Wolves, etc....
Not having the right group of players is not always talent related. The Flyers, with Mason having a fairly good year, are more talented than their record indicates. When you consider OT Loses this team is 33-48. They beat some good teams so they're obviously capable. (On the flip side you could argue that good teams have let down nights against the bottom teams) - but with two top of the league point scorers, several other capable forwards, and a decent goalie, they have enough to be in the mix. yet they have been out of it since mid December. They continue to fail at team defense, which is mostly effort and will, not skill. I dont like to consider +/- the end all stat, but let's be honest here - Giroux and Vorachek have 150+ points between them and are a combined +2. That's not really helping your team.

Be that a player leadership issue, a bad mix of players or the wrong coach (or all of those things). Yes, they need 2-3 more capable defensemen - but so do a lot of teams.
 
Originally posted by Ninetynine5.0:

Been talk about this idea for a few years and it makes sense. Goofy sport right? Where a team that plays it tight and finds a way to the 8 seed by chipping away with OTL's can squeak in and do real damage. As has been born our a few times, some teams are build well for the 82 game haul and some are built for the 2 month sprint.

I think it's a combination of things. In no particular order

1) They still allow way to much holding, interference and obstruction.
2) Goalie equipment is gigantic in every way. Cut down the pads, the chest protectors, the glove sizes and the waffle. Cut it all by half if you can, but cut it back.
3) There are fewer under-skilled players. Less goons means more good skaters. More good skaters means less opportunity to expose a weak link.
4) Playing for the tie - still see a LOT of trapping, especially late in games. Teams just shut it down. For all their ability to skate and move the puck, Rangers excelled at defensive hockey this year. Very good at transitioning from attack to defend mode. They were not alone. Habs, Wings, Blues, Hawks and Predators did this all year as well.
5) Skill players are not given the environment to be on full display every night.
6)The schedule is too long. Makes for a lot of nights where teams do not have the legs to run and gun, but have just enough energy to play sound D. Lot of early week 2-1 shootouts as the 3rd game in 4 nights.


It's funny - the game is probably played at a higher pace than it's ever been played, and yet the scoring is down historically this year. Worst since the early 1960s' i believe. The Art Ross winner probably will not have 86 points. One player will score 50+. I'd like to see that change significantly.
great post. cutting back goalie equipment is a must. it's freakin absurd. instead of average sized guys in net - you have huge guys in there like Bishop, Rinne, Dubnyk, Lindback etc. They are all amazing athletes - and they take away everything down low. There is simply nothing to shoot at. The width of the pads are a joke; it's not for protection at that point.

Also agree with first point - still way too much holding & interference. They started off calling it tight - but now when a forward dumps it in, Dmen are starting to hold & obstruct without penalty.
 
I really believe that the Flyers #1 problem and it's been this way since Pronger got hurt is the need for a true, #1 defenseman. If this team were to have a clear #1 D-man and another guy better than their best D-man right now, then they would more than likely be a playoff team. Scoring could be better on the other lines, but I think a true #1 D-man would go along way. So, until they get this component they will continue to flounder either not making the playoffs or being a 6-8 seeded team with little chance to win four rounds.
 
Go back and look at the mid 80's game films - totally possible to come down off the wing and find a corner of the net. No longer the case at all. There is NOTHING to shoot at. Yes the goalies are bigger ( it never made sense to me why they were traditionally the smallest guys on the ice) but the equipment is an absolute joke. And I'm sorry, but i dont but the protection excuse. We live in a world that has invented Kevlar - there is no need to have a 60 inch chest protector. The cuff of the catching glove is like another waffle, and the pads are way too wide and tall.

Should be the absolute focus of the league leadership right now.
 
Originally posted by wcburrs87:
I really believe that the Flyers #1 problem and it's been this way since Pronger got hurt is the need for a true, #1 defenseman. If this team were to have a clear #1 D-man and another guy better than their best D-man right now, then they would more than likely be a playoff team. Scoring could be better on the other lines, but I think a true #1 D-man would go along way. So, until they get this component they will continue to flounder either not making the playoffs or being a 6-8 seeded team with little chance to win four rounds.
No doubt. Took massive run at Shea Weber; but they would have been in cap hell for years. The Flyers are always so "win now" oriented, it's ridiculous. Every now & again you need to blow it up. This team doesn't have much cap space, and they haven't done enough to improve it. Vinnie LeCav & Umberger salaries are a joke. Their D-men contracts are reasonable - but the number 5/6 guys should be in the $1MM range; not $2-3MM.... I like their D, but Schultz & Schenn are very similar players; one needs to go so you can free up more cap space for a #1.
 
Originally posted by Ninetynine5.0:
They need Ghost or Morin to work out in the worst way.
Sounds like scouts and others are liking Sanheim (1st Rd pick last year) even more. I read some glowing reports on him a couple of weeks back. Also, supposedly ther kid Hagg has potential.
 
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