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Oklahoma SAE

It really is amazing how words like "ret@rd" and "f@ggot" have been removed from the everyday vernacular yet the N word has not.
 
In all honesty, this actually is f-cking sickening.

That's legitimately the mentality of some people in places Oklahoma? I'm not at all about political correctness, but I can't believe people like this still exist.
 
The N----- word isn't the problem. The other words are what are truly gross.

That being said, people have been framing this as an act of racial violence. If you truly feel that your safety is threatened when a bunch of mongoloids sing a racist song, you have way bigger problems than the ones related to the moron singing an offensive song.
 
Just watched. Man, people I know would be screwed if there were camera phones when they were in college.
 
Cool bunch of dudes. Let's break out into song to impress our dates.
 
I'd be lying if I said seeing this type of thing from a bunch of white dorks in the south was a surprise.
 
FoyeEffect would try to find an angle to make it look like this is an overreaction.

I don't think this is an act of racial violence. But this kind of mentality - a straight up celebration of racism - is what leads to racial violence. Anything that supports a xenophobic mentality contributes to viewing other humans as less human than you are, and therefore more deserving of subhuman (violent) treatment. Are these kids on the bus violent? Of course not - that's a terrible assumption to make.

But why do you have to act like caring about this is somehow less important than the things you care about? What problems do you have that are so much more worthy of national attention?
 
Originally posted by SnottieDrippen:
FoyeEffect would try to find an angle to make it look like this is an overreaction.

I don't think this is an act of racial violence. But this kind of mentality - a straight up celebration of racism - is what leads to racial violence. Anything that supports a xenophobic mentality contributes to viewing other humans as less human than you are, and therefore more deserving of subhuman (violent) treatment. Are these kids on the bus violent? Of course not - that's a terrible assumption to make.

But why do you have to act like caring about this is somehow less important than the things you care about? What problems do you have that are so much more worthy of national attention?
Solid post from a solid poster.
 
I'm not saying that it's unworthy of attention, but I am saying that what's happening is that the discourse is being dominated by people who treat racism in much the same way as Joseph McCarthy treated communism.
 
I think the diference is that Joe MccCarthy acted from a position of power and used it to ruin the lives of people who's lives didn't deserve to be ruined.

The people who speak out against racism today are mostly just common people who want to see the world become a little bit better.

Are you seriously saying that people who are "possible" racists are being ostracized the way "possible" communists were treated in the 1950s? How many people haven't gotten a job because they have possible ties to white racist organizations? How many frat members don't get jobs because fraternties have a racist reputation? Oh that's right - 90% of U.S. presidents have been in fraternities. A large amount of traditionally high salary jobs are held by white men who were in fraternities.

If you can just give me one example of a fraternity member who's career/life has been ruined because they have possible links to racist activities without veritable proof I will take my words back. But for now, those who are speaking out today are still the underprivileged.

Until the frat boy wearing vineyard vines from Ole Miss is the one who has his resume thrown away by JP Morgan immediately as opposed to the Howard University student with a 3.8 who has hers thrown away because her first name is unorthodox - then you can call it McCarthyism. Until then, the actual racists of upper class, white collar society are the Joe McCarthys - ostracizing people for their skin color, not for their chants on a bus.
 
P.s. I was in a frat at Nova. I just think comparing the plight of possible communist sympathizes to the plight of possible racists (like comparing the plight of possible wrongly convicted murderers to the plight of people that have to go to Nova instead of an Ivy League) is more hyperbolic BS from the board's resident know it all
 
The red scare didn't start because McCarthy decided to hold hearings on it. American college campuses already have problems with how they regard speech. A black student activist at Oklahoma was talking about the racism people see every day, but couldn't cite any specific examples and then referred to "microaggressions". I'm not going to come out and say that these kids shouldn't be suspended or expelled, but I do fear that it will have ripple effects that will lead to someone who does something that is considered "problematic" and then being forced to give a pound of flesh for it.
 
Fair point on McCarthy being an end and not a means. I think those speaking out against the OU students are normal US citizens of all backgrounds and all walks of life - there is not a figurehead I would point to as a clear (and, more importantly, deserving) leader right now.

If there has never been action taken against someone at OU until video evidence appeared, I think it's safe to say that OU is not acting without due intelligence. There are confederate flags all over college campuses throughout the US but I have never heard of someone being kicked out of school or even forced to take it down.

The current situation clearly favors the rights of the "silent" racist until an excessive offense has occurred. If you are worried about people being unfairly treated, I just think that it is odd that your campaign is focused on supporting those who have propagated the most unfair treatment throughout american history, and not those who they have attempted to shut out from their institutions, schools, and careers.If you believe that it is an institution's right to not accept people because of their skin color, then surely you can support an institution's right to not accept those who violate their standards of moral behavior.

I've said similar things to this before: I think you are a very smart person Foye, but it seems you always take the most complex stance on issues for the sake of their complexity (and therefore superior logic from your perspective) rather than practicality.
 
Yeah, because we all know that the home state of the United Klans of America is so much more progressive than Oklahoma on matters of race.
 
Two expelled so far

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