Ruben Amaro as Phillies GM remembered
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NickleDimer
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If true, why now? Why not when MacPhail was introduced or at the end of the season?
Timing makes zero sense.
All of that being said, I won't miss him.
If true, why now? Why not when MacPhail was introduced or at the end of the season?
Timing makes zero sense.
All of that being said, I won't miss him.
Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 20m20 minutes ago
The Phillies announce the contract of Ruben Amaro was not extended. I.e., he was fired from the GM job.
Really burns the CoP'ers that I predicted this. Even though anyone could see if coming.
First order of business: innings limit next year for Nola
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Never was. The arrivals of Altherr, Franco, Nola, giving some other sh*tty punch and judy hitters a shot in the bigs. Progress. Just don't understand why they trusted a guy to sell off their remaining assets if they don't trust him for next year. It's not like this is a revelation they had in the last year.
If this board show's how the rest of the CoP fans are then you can pretty do whatever and the fans will blindly follow.
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brightsiding is not blindly following.
This season was a complete failure.
Not a complete waste, though. They finally purged their aging stars and started to rebuild, even though they should have done this 2-3 years ago. A move in the right direction, despite long term disastrous decision making.
There's no way Ruben had real sway in selling off the remaining assets this July/August. He was ordering dinner, keeping busy, probably answering the phone relaying decisions of others and probably chiming in here and there, but ultimately it was some combination of McPhail/Middleton with input from Gillick pulling the trigger and making the big decisions.
In any case, long overdue but welcome move. Should've been done a millisecond after he told someone in authority that he wanted the Lee to Seattle deal for that $hit package, the horribly brokered process that went into it, anything related to it.
In any case, long overdue but welcome move. Should've been done a millisecond after he told someone in authority that he wanted the Lee to Seattle deal for that $hit package, the horribly brokered process that went into it, anything related to it.
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Concur that Ruben was likely a glorified gofer.
Middleton seems like he may be a prick. Maybe he enjoyed making Ruben fetch coffee prior to being shown the door.
Middleton seems like he may be a prick. Maybe he enjoyed making Ruben fetch coffee prior to being shown the door.
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He didn't want to do that. He was told if he was giving up multiple prospects to get Halladay then he had to get back prospects back for Lee. It was a decision made above him. And the decision to do it quickly and not shop him properly just compounded it and turned a bad decision into a catastrophic decision.
On Lee to Seattle, I can only judge the deal that was made. It was absolutely atrocious from the second it was made -- those "prospects" were junk from the beginning -- was ruinous in the near and long term, and the effects on the organization are still being felt today.
Even if that was the command, that he had to be dealt, the way it happened and what they got back is ultimately on Amaro. Somebody had to stand up and say wait a minute, this is f---ed up, let's slow this down and think. I'm sure a lot of good front office people would have just quit if told it had to go down exactly the way it did. Not saying he's the only one responsible, but he may have been the only one who could've stopped it. Still seems like the whole thing had to be a joke or some sort of test -- but it was real, Amaro failed, and it was one of the main steps that led to the Phillies being a dumpster fire.
Apparently the trade was brokered, no other teams were called. No bidding. Insane. Most ill-conceived trade I've ever seen or heard of.
Even if that was the command, that he had to be dealt, the way it happened and what they got back is ultimately on Amaro. Somebody had to stand up and say wait a minute, this is f---ed up, let's slow this down and think. I'm sure a lot of good front office people would have just quit if told it had to go down exactly the way it did. Not saying he's the only one responsible, but he may have been the only one who could've stopped it. Still seems like the whole thing had to be a joke or some sort of test -- but it was real, Amaro failed, and it was one of the main steps that led to the Phillies being a dumpster fire.
Apparently the trade was brokered, no other teams were called. No bidding. Insane. Most ill-conceived trade I've ever seen or heard of.
NickleDimer
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I'm not as hurt by the whole Lee trade thing. It sucked and was dumb, but Lee got banged around by the Giants twice in the 2010 World Series. So it's not like he would have got them any further.
(listens to American Pie, weeps while watching a looped video of Cody Ross hitting two bombs off of Roy Halladay)
(listens to American Pie, weeps while watching a looped video of Cody Ross hitting two bombs off of Roy Halladay)
Cmon, ND....
Zero chance he had final say in those moves. He was dialing the phone and being a point person. McPhail had final say, with some input from Gillick.
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Why even keep the schmuck around?
Is there a more inbred secretive sports owner/ownership group than these guys?
I think McPhail wanted to get his feet wet a little. Plus, deadline was beating down on them. Didn't want a distraction of his firing to mess anything up here. Getting to the point when teams begin to have their meetings for the offseason and next year, so it was time to cut the cord.