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Villanova Running Blog

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Feb 5, 2003
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I've started building a Villanova Running blog that may be of interest to some of you. I am still educating myself on the bells and whistles, so look for some improvement in the presentation. In any event, tt can be found at the link below. I'd be happy to hear any feedback or suggestions.

Villanova Running
 
LSU-Nit,

Absolutely a GREAT Blog !! Really appreciate your time and efforts. If you get a chance I think a listing of Jumbo Elliot's accomplishments would give the current generation of Villanova fans some sort of appreciation of what a Great coach he was. I remember a 1973 article on Jumbo in the Sports section of the New York Times, that nearly covered two full pages. Also, Love all the recruiting news. Again, Thank you.
 
Thanks, guys. Fredericks, I'll e-mail you because I DO need the help.
 
nit,

This is a great site; I heard the story about the delayed win for the title
many years ago from Jack Pyrah himself. I was born in 1936, and that was the first year he was at Penn, and he was there for every one until he died.

Periodically there is a discussion either on the board or in person about why Jumbo was never named Olympic coach. I would like people to respond. I met Jumbo on many occasions, and his demeanor could be construed as arrogant. To say the least I don't think people on the committee liked him.
I think it is important for you to know that other people who have followed our programs had the same opinion.
 
Whitecat:

Thanks for that post -- when I was a kid and following Villanova track and XC, I always thought that Jumbo was a "real" Irishman. Logical, I guess, given the Irish Pipeline. Then I heard about the story of Browning Ross and the post-Olympic friendship with a few Irish guys that led to the establishment of the pipeline. I was 23 or so when Jumbo died, and never met the man. I have heard the words "aloof," "distant," "imperious," and "removed" when describing his style with the lads, but not "arrogant" (though this might be splitting hairs). I've read that he rarely spoke to the guys until they were upper-classmen and that he coached the younger runners through the seniors on the team. Jack Pyrah and Jim Tuppeny during their days, I understand, were liaisons or buffers between the kids and Jumbo.

SPORTS ILLUSTRATED in 1982 referred to his "small boy impudence" but the overall flavor of the article is positive. I've posted it below. It is an interesting issue you raise about the Olympic coach situation, and by all accounts he should have been offered that post based on the success of the program. The issue is worth investigating, for sure.


April 12, 1982
Villanova's Jim Elliott: Small-boy Impudence Plus Lofty Seriousness
Robert W. Creamer

When James (Jumbo) Elliott, Villanova's splendid track coach, died of a heart attack on March 22, 1981, he left a singular void in the world of sport. Like Red Smith, who died less than a year later, Elliott had the faculty of making people who knew him only slightly feel that he was a close friend. He was an extremely successful coach, and he was just as remarkable a personality. You felt good when you saw him, and you looked forward to the next time. At indoor meets this winter, the first without Elliott in more than 35 years, his absence was particularly noticeable.

Now a delightful biography has come along to ease the sense of loss?Jumbo Elliott: Maker of Milers, Maker of Men ( St. Martin's Press, $13.95). It is rather pretentiously titled, and now and then it gets a bit heavy with sentimentality, but that doesn't matter. Elliott is alive in its pages, and you feel again his grinning, small-boy impudence, his pleasant needling, his seriousness and dedication, his concern for his athletes, his restless interest in the business of living, his joy in so many things. The book was written by Dr. Theodore J. Berry, a friend of Elliott's since boyhood and a frequent medical consultant to the Villanova track team. And if the doctor's prose falls short of Red Smith's, he nonetheless turns an anecdote with the best of them, catches Jumbo's speech and the flavor of his personality and renders a fine, rounded portrait. The book was begun well before Elliott's death and was supposed to be a joint project. In fact, Elliott and Berry are listed as co-authors, although, except for a few pages of Elliott monologues on coaching, it is a book about Jumbo, not by him.

Elliott was a poor boy from an Irish section of Philadelphia who won an athletic scholarship to Villanova during the Depression. He was a star quarter-miler and a crack golfer (a sport he had learned as a caddie). By 1933, Depression economics and the departure of coaches from the campus left Elliott, still an undergraduate, the de facto mentor of both the track and golf teams. He continued as golf coach for the next 30 years and as track coach for the rest of his life. Both were labors of love; his salary was nominal. He earned his living off campus as a salesman, eventually for a company that made heavy construction equipment. In time he became owner of the company and made a fortune, all the while continuing to turn out championship track teams at Villanova.

There are a lot of rewarding stories about him in this rambling book. One of the best gives an insight into the complex relationship he had with his athletes: He was their unquestioned leader while at the same time often an equal, and thus subject to exasperated complaints. Jumbo was famous for shifting his relay personnel around, pulling a man out of this team and putting him on that one, or for having men enter events they previously hadn't specialized in. (At the 1957 indoor IC4A championships he had his great miler Ron Delany pass up his pet event and try instead for a unique double victory at 1,000 yards and two miles; Delany pulled it off and then did it again in 1958.) At the Penn Relays, Elliott suddenly told Browning Ross, an excellent distance runner and one of the first of Elliott's many Olympians, that he would be running the anchor leg for Villanova's two-mile relay team. "Me?" Ross said, amazed, adding to himself, "I hope the other three guys give me a helluva big lead." They did, and when Ross took the baton he had a comfortable 15-yard margin. Unfortunately, it wasn't enough to hold off a superior half-miler running anchor against him, and he lost in the stretch. Gulping for air after the race, Ross felt terrible. "I went over several excuses in my mind, different ways I could tell Jumbo how sorry I was because I blew the big lead," Ross said. "Nothing I could think of sounded right, but I had to say something. I could see Jumbo watching...and he didn't look at all happy. When I got closer, Jumbo stood up and waited for me. The words stuck in my throat and all I could get out was a frustrated ' Jesus Christ, Jumbo!'

"Jumbo always stuttered when he got upset, and he was pretty upset at that point. He poked a bony finger into the middle of my aching chest and said, Th-th-that's who I'm gonna have run anchor for us n-n-next year!'"
 
nit,

Once again I love the blog, and here is another story on Paige. I came to upstate by accident in 1962, and I would read about runners in the Syracuse paper. Paige went to high school in Baldwinsville which is just outside of Syracuse. He was running about 1;51 and 4:10 for a school that didn't have a track. I wrote Jumbo about him, and Jumbo said he was coming to Nova.

I read the book about Jumbo, and we went to the same high school. We didn't have a golf or baseball team, and I went out to watch our track team. We were coached by Brother Luke who was Jim Tuppeny's brother. I have been a lifetime golfer and basketball coach. I scouted for Rollie when
he was at Stoneybrook. But I will always follow xCountry and track.
 
I met Jumbo through an old boyhood friend of his, Eddie O'Neill. They were both from Our Lady of Victory Parish around 56th and Arch. Eddie raised me from Sept 1950 after my father had died that July until August 1954 when my sister was of age so we could take our two brothers out of the orphanage and my mother home from the hospital.

Whenever I met Jumbo he was a gracious and friendly person and I saw him coach a number of times through my graduation in 1957 where his persona may have been a tad different. I introduced my son to Jumbo after a football game at Horace Jerkys, later the Onion. He was with another Irishman, Dr Frank McGinnis. They were both most cordial to me and my son. They sometimes visited the General Wayne when I worked there

Jumbo supposedly once took his track team to the Texas Relays. When they told him that our black athletes had to be billeted in a different residence than our white athletes, Jumbo just got his team out of there and flew home. Villanova never ran in that y'all come back relay.

Jumbo put Villanova on the map throughout the world. Whatever his personality quirks might
have been it was a travesty that he never served as an Olympic or Pan Am Games Coach. If
Bobby Knight could with his demonstrated quirks, Jumbo should have been a shoe in.

There's a Jumbo Elliot Park with a statue of Jumbo in Montgomery County, I think in Penn Valley, a fitting tribute to an outstanding Man and great Villanovan.
 
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