Chase Utley's career on base percentage is almost 20 points higher than Rollins' best single season on base percentage.
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Good question. In this day and age, I don't even know. There really aren't even that many good second basemen out there right now.
Base running is an important part of the game but doesn't make up for Ryan having better numbers in pretty much every major offensive category that season. Besides with 58 home runs that 58 less times you have to worry about running the base paths. i'll take that.
Look I loved Chase as a player but he was average at best as a defensive 2nd baseman. He was never the 2nd best defensive 2nd basemen in baseball. never close to 2nd and probably never top 10. just absurd to say that. and please don;t give me any stupid sabermetric defensive stats to make your point. i watched the guy and he was never close to an elite defensive player.
overall career Chase was better than Ryan but not in 2006. Ryan dominated baseball that season offensively.
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Lets not forget that Utley was a 2nd baseman because he failed horrifically when they tried to get him to play 3B.
Who really cares about the defense of a first baseman? Especially one who puts up power numbers like Howard did?
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Committed 14 errors in 2006, dWAR of -1.8. Could have used those 1.8 wins when they missed the playoffs by a game that year. Especially since anyone with a nervous system can play first base competently. Except him.
Trolling now. And any other competent replacement probably doesn't give you the 5.8 WAR offensively and you still miss playoffs by a few games.
imagine how many more games they would have won if Utley hit 26 more home runs and drove in 47 more runs to match Ryan's totals.
game set match
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Let's not pretend like 14 errors at 1B didn't lose a few games more than it should have. It was all f@cking David Bell's fault anyway. My least favorite Phillies player of all time.
It seemed like most of his errors were throwing ones, trying to turn a 3-6-3 twin killing. At least that's what I remember.
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He also racks up a ton of f@ckups that don't go as errors in the scoresheet. Botched foul popups and blowing easy throws in the dirt. As well as his total lack of range. I thought Thome was a slow sloppy f*ck in the field then Howard took it to a whole new level.
Saber nerds like TFE because Utley "got on base"
Except in 2006 Howard got on base more. Easily, actually.
Saw a great tweet: "you know chase utley was beloved in philly because he rocked a soul patch for 10 years and no one pounced on him for it"
That's saying something. Would like to see a top (bottom?) 5 list if you have it.
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1. David Bell
2. Jamie Moyer
3. John Mayberry Jr.
4. Paul Abbott
5(tie) Geoff Jenkins
5(tie) All the trade deadline/waiver trade pinch hitter they've acquired that sucked: Randall Simon, Jeff Conine, Jose Hernandez, Matt Kata, Russell Branyon, Pete Laforest, etc.
2. Jamie Moyer
3. John Mayberry Jr.
4. Paul Abbott
5(tie) Geoff Jenkins
5(tie) All the trade deadline/waiver trade pinch hitter they've acquired that sucked: Randall Simon, Jeff Conine, Jose Hernandez, Matt Kata, Russell Branyon, Pete Laforest, etc.
I always hated Norm Chartlon. I was at the game where he almost died getting hit in the head with a liner.
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Stairs and Iguchi were the only contributing late season PH/platoon acquisitions.
I don't hate Mike Sweeney. He didn't do much, but he was a higher caliber player than the rest.
I don't hate Mike Sweeney. He didn't do much, but he was a higher caliber player than the rest.
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Oh. Of course. Only hardcore 4for4ers couldn't see the signs of the end of their "dynasty". They were just waiting for that mid-30s renaissance from the "core phour".
Hilarious pinning 2006 playoff miss on Howard, trolling at its finest for sure. Real problem that year (and prior years) was twofold, subpar bullpens and an inability later in the year to beat the teams they were competing with when it mattered. I believe in 2006 they crapped the bed royally against the Astros multiple times. Year before it was the Marlins many times. Tons of choking going on with those '05-'06 teams.
Yet another reason J-Roll is underappreciated. In 2007, he basically called out the team to play up to their potential, the message got through and the Mets paid the price.
Also, been a while but hard for me to not include Gregg Jefferies and Lance Parrish on any Phillies hate list. Agree on Bell. Free agent signees/other high profile acquisitions that don't deliver are the worst, even if brought on by incompetent ownership and guys on the downside of their careers anyway who probably shouldn't have been acquired.
Yet another reason J-Roll is underappreciated. In 2007, he basically called out the team to play up to their potential, the message got through and the Mets paid the price.
Also, been a while but hard for me to not include Gregg Jefferies and Lance Parrish on any Phillies hate list. Agree on Bell. Free agent signees/other high profile acquisitions that don't deliver are the worst, even if brought on by incompetent ownership and guys on the downside of their careers anyway who probably shouldn't have been acquired.
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Who did that?
My point was that if you're going to give away 2 games, you would rather not have it be because of first baseman defense.
I don't think anyone really is, but if you're a trolling Mets fan, given where your team was during that period and the 20 years before it, go ahead. 5 straight division titles, two straight pennants with a WS in there (and if a Nationals fan were here they'd probably tout additional NLDS wins as well) represent a nice sustained period of success.
Yes. The premium defensive positions are catcher, shortstop, second base, third base, and center field.
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Well, in that case, second base is the least premium of the premium defensive positions. It's usually where SSs and 3Bs with sh*tty arms go. Robby Alomar - 2B WIZARD... failed shortstop.
According to the WAR positional adjustments, it's equal to 3B. A good number of MLB third basemen are also failed shortstops. Hell, Juan Lagares, the best defensive outfielder in MLB over the past few seasons is a converted shortstop.
And Lagares has come back to Earth. Few? How about one special year in an abbreviated season no less.
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3Bs still have the arm of a SS, just not enough range. 2Bs usually have less range and a shitty arm.
