http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/us/colorado-epa-mine-river-spill/
Lets expand the government some more. Do they fine themselves?
Lets expand the government some more. Do they fine themselves?
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NickleDimer
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It's a bit of a stretch to take one mistake in an attempt to correct pollution from years ago and paint it as an indicator of government failure.
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Not sure how that makes a difference. The EPA created an ecological disaster thats fact. The real difference is BP immediately took responsibility and paid for the clean up and paid every business that suffered, paid local communities effected and changed their process using their own money. The EPA on the other hand ......
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Not sure how this compares to BP really. A govt agency trying to cleanup waste from an old industrial site (which never would have existed if the EPA was around sooner) vs. an oil company and Haliburton f*cking up and polluting half of the Gulf of Mexico, upon which a vast economy of fisherman and tourism businesses rely.
The EPA since the 80s has wanted to declare the area a superfund site but the locals fought against that for fear of impacting tourism. This is a major f'up by EPA there is no way around that but I am not sure it proves some larger point you are trying to make about government. I guess you can ignore the fact that the source of was in fact corporations and that these sites have been leaking for year and just blame Obama or whatever nonsense point is being made here.
ND I lived in the area at the time of the BP oil spill. BP did an amazing job of clean up and they took care of every business, some deep in south florida that didn't even deserve it. It was horrible to live through it just like it will be horrible in those areas effected by the EPA's stupidity.
All I am pointing out is that the agency that is supposed to protect us against these types of disasters created one. Its a huge black eye for them. Thats it you can defend them all you want but the fact is if some company did this Liberals would be screaming about corporate greed. Now the MSNBC, liberal spin is the locals fought against it being a superfund site. Gotta find someone else to point the finger at.
All I am pointing out is that the agency that is supposed to protect us against these types of disasters created one. Its a huge black eye for them. Thats it you can defend them all you want but the fact is if some company did this Liberals would be screaming about corporate greed. Now the MSNBC, liberal spin is the locals fought against it being a superfund site. Gotta find someone else to point the finger at.
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David Ostrander, the EPA’s head of emergency management: "It’s hard being on the other side of this, in terms of being the one who caused this incident. We usually respond to emergencies, we don’t cause them."
Who is defending them? It was a major f'up. Your partisan hyperbolic rhetoric is silly. Is it liberal spin that they wanted to declare it a superfund or did it actually happen?
The other thing you can criticize them widely for is the terrible job they did notifying other agencies about the colossal screw up... but you miss that nuance presenting this as some referendum on government. Is your alternative a world in which the EPA doesn't exists? I hate to use a strawman but that seems to be your take.
Also crabbers and oyster men may take issue with the notion that BP did an amazing job cleaning up...
I really enjoy the back and forth on some of these topics. Its good to hear the other perspective on things like this. I always feel some CEO from the private sector could do a much better job running these agencies than some political hack. I think we would see far less waste and more efficiency.
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Let's look at this premise. Why would a private sector CEO take a big pay cut to run one of these agencies? And if they did (unlikely)... they would need to fire all the dead wood employees that government agencies tend to collect. And then outsource the work to reputable firms (if they exist and wouldn't blow the agency's budget). Not an easy job and not the intellectually rewarding work that you might take a pay cut for.
Private sector bigwigs t ake massive pay cuts to work in government agencies all the time
Knowing full well they will make it up on the backend with well greased skids for their next "private sector" gig .
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I know many people who gave up jobs making between about half a million and ten million a year who gave up their private sector jobs to work in the last two administrations. None of them had exit strategies lined up. Is it only the super duper rich (who have no need for an exit strategy) who you think only say yes when they have an exit strategy lined up? What do you suppose Penny Pritzker's exit strategy is? Or are you just blowing smoke?
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Continue lording over the slew of businesses she owns. It's not like she stopped doing that. Is she essentially an older Paris Hilton?
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I understand you are playing a role but that's an awful ignorant way to stereotype people. I thought liberals were supposed to be the good guys who believed in government service.
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You don't get to be a successful person by giving sh*t away... unless it guarantees a future return.
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It's never about need. According to the Department of Health & Human Services*, all you need to support a family of 4 is $24,250/year .
*led by Sylvia Burwell, who took a massive paycut out of the goodness of her heart
