MLB - 25 years

[wcburrs87]

Conducted a little research. My suspicions were pretty much confirmed. Only a few teams have considerable success over the last 25 years.

I looked at years in the playoffs, years not in playoffs but .500 or above, years below .500, division crowns. WS appearances, and titles.

Double-digit playoff appearances:
ATL (18)
NYY (17)
STL (12)
BOS (11)
OAK (10)

18 of 30 teams fall between making the playoffs 4 and 8 times over the last 25 years. Another 7 teams made it between 1 and 3 times.

Double-digit division winners:
ATL (16)
NYY (13)
STL (10)

16 of 30 teams have won their division between 3 and 6 times. Eight teams are between 0 and 2 times. Another three teams at 7 and 8 times.

In '94 (season cut short by strike) there were no division winners and of course no playoffs. Also, FLA (22 years), COL (22), ARI (17), and TB (17) haven't been around for 25 years. WAS (10) & MON (15) have shared a franchise.

Years of making playoffs or .500 record:
NYY (22)
ATL (21)
LAD (21)
STL (19)
BOS (19)

16 of 30 teams have between 10 and 16 years of playoffs/.500 record. Nine other teams have between 5 and 9 seasons of making the playoffs/.500 record.

Teams with 15+ losing seasons:
PIT (20)
KC (19)
BAL (17)
CHIC (17)
MIL (17)
FLA (16)
SD (16)
DET (15)
NYM (15)
CIN (15)

As for the Phillies. Only 10 teams have made the playoffs more than the six times they have gone. Only six teams have won more than their six divisions. Only four teams have made the WS more than the three times they made it. Is it super? No, but I'll take it considering that many teams have been worse during this time.

World Series Titles:
NYY (5)
BOS (3)
SF (3)

Discuss.......

 

[AvalonFal]

All those nice Phillies stats are gonna take a big hit over the next 5+ years.

 

[wcburrs87]

All those nice Phillies stats are gonna take a big hit over the next 5+ years.

Probably so. Then, they'll begin to get better again. I think this year will be the lows point. Maybe, next year equally as bad. I think it will improve from there. Not saying playoffs but signs of getting better.

 

[MakingLove2BeckyLobo]

Really puts in perspective how big of a choke Atlanta is. 18 playoffs and 1 WS win? Gutless.

And Oakland having 10 appearances and 1 playoff series win is equally gutless. Moneyball my balls. Eat it, FoyeEffect!

 

[wcburrs87]

Really puts in perspective how big of a choke Atlanta is. 18 playoffs and 1 WS win? Gutless.

And Oakland having 10 appearances and 1 playoff series win is equally gutless. Moneyball my balls. Eat it, FoyeEffect!

The dodgers haven't made the WS in the last 25 years. I thought that was interesting. They have been competitive in 21 of 25 seasons. Meaning 8 playoff appearances and 13 other seasons of .500 or better records.

 

[vujoe62]

Solid analysis here by burrs.

 

[NorCalVU10]

SF's rate of getting into the WS once in the playoffs is remarkable.

 

[wcburrs87]

ADP, in case you missed it.,

 

[adp98]

What point are you trying to make. The Phillies came off a great five year run. Unfortunately it resulted in only one title. Thus, when you look at the past 25-30 years and take away those 5 straight titles that resulted in only one championship, they have sucked for the majority of those other years. They make the playoffs about one time every 8 years outside of that run. That's pathetic.

 

[wcburrs87]

It wasn't a Phillies thread. It was a baseball thread. And you can slice it any way you want, but my main point is that sustained, long-term success is uncommon for the majority of baseball. Concerning the Phillies, there are more franchises that have done less than they have over them last 25 years. That's my point. Dispute if you like, but please provide facts. And try not to start by saying, well if you take away blah, blah, blah.....

 

[NovaNation1188]

The phillies are pathetic and have a storied history about being pathetic (and I know a thing or two about rooting for a pathetic team).

The Cubs are known to be a pathetic franchise because they have 2 World Series titles in the last 139 baseball seasons. The phillies also have 2 World Series titles -- but their 2 ships came over the course of 142 baseball seasons.

They had a good run from 07-11. It seems like ancient history by now, and the night is only getting darker.

 

[wcburrs87]

The phillies are pathetic and have a storied history about being pathetic (and I know a thing or two about rooting for a pathetic team).

The Cubs are known to be a pathetic franchise because they have 2 World Series titles in the last 139 baseball seasons. The phillies also have 2 World Series titles -- but their 2 ships came over the course of 142 baseball seasons.

They had a good run from 07-11. It seems like ancient history by now, and the night is only getting darker.

Again, not about the Phillies, but more baseball in general. There are a lot of fans of teams that would kill for that 07-11 stretch. Including you, I'm sure.

 

[wcburrs87]

I don't care about the 1880's thru most of the 1970's. Really. It's insignificant to me.

 

[Novacatt94]

What point are you trying to make. The Phillies came off a great five year run. Unfortunately it resulted in only one title. Thus, when you look at the past 25-30 years and take away those 5 straight titles that resulted in only one championship, they have sucked for the majority of those other years. They make the playoffs about one time every 8 years outside of that run. That's pathetic.

Kind of like how the Red Sox won zero WS Championships between 1918-2004. Are they considered to be a pathetic franchise despite their recent success?

Lots of goalpost moving here.

 

[nardibynature123]

Again, not about the Phillies, but more baseball in general. There are a lot of fans of teams that would kill for that 07-11 stretch. Including you, I'm sure.

I wouldn't need to.

 

[wcburrs87]

I wouldn't need to.

Agree. The Yankees are one of the few with sustained success. Cap tip.

 

[adp98]

Kind of like how the Red Sox won zero WS Championships between 1918-2004. Are they considered to be a pathetic franchise despite their recent success?

Lots of goalpost moving here.

We can all agree the Sox were pathetic for a solid 80 years. You don't remember what it was like being a Red Sox for a solid 50 years. Do you recall the complete disregard that Yankee fans had toward the Red Sox fanbase? It was a joke. 27 F'ing rings. You know how many times Red Sox fans had to endure such abuse? Absolutely, the Sox found historic ways to choke. That is a loser franchise for a long time.

 

[Novacatt94]

We can all agree the Sox were pathetic for a solid 80 years. You don't remember what it was like being a Red Sox for a solid 50 years. Do you recall the complete disregard that Yankee fans had toward the Red Sox fanbase? It was a joke. 27 F'ing rings. You know how many times Red Sox fans had to endure such abuse? Absolutely, the Sox historic ways to choke. That is a loser franchise.

Not sure I agree with that statement.

WS appearances in the 60s with Yaz, multiple playoff appearances in the 70s, one strike from being '86 World F-cking Champions (thanks, Billy Buckner)....

 

[adp98]

Not sure I agree with that statement.

WS appearances in the 60s with Yaz, multiple playoff appearances in the 70s, one strike from being '86 World F-cking Champions (thanks, Billy Buckner)....

In the words of Burrs, "a choke is a choke". They invented levels of losing. Grady F'ing Little. I said this for a solid 6 weeks in the fall of 03.

 

[wcburrs87]

In the words of Burrs, "a choke is a choke". They invented levels of losing. Grady F'ing Little. I said this for a solid 6 weeks in the fall of 03.

Actually, I can't take credit for this. But Dmil can.

 

[NovaNation1188]

I don't care about the 1880's thru most of the 1970's. Really. It's insignificant to me.

Hard to really consider anything longer than 3-4 years of recent history significant. What are you doing for me lately? Frankly, even during that run it was marred by choke jobs.

 

[Novacatt94]

In the words of Burrs, "a choke is a choke". They invented levels of losing. Grady F'ing Little. I said this for a solid 6 weeks in the fall of 03.

The Sawx had some lean years. I get it.

But a franchise that produced Ted Williams and Carl Yastremski is pathetic?

Come on now.

 

[wcburrs87]

Hard to really consider anything longer than 3-4 years of recent history significant. What are you doing for me lately? Frankly, even during that run it was marred by choke jobs.

Yawn. But let's not forget the biggest of choke jobs that the have has seen over these last 25 years. 7 up with 17 to play. Yep, the poster boy of choke jobs,

 

[adp98]

The Sawx had some lean years. I get it.

But a franchise that produced Ted Williams and Carl Yastremski is pathetic?

Come on now.

Is the goal to produce great players or win championships? You could argue the Sox are worse for having not won with those players. Yankee fans used to abuse the Sox fans for these very reasons. My dad was a Yankee fan. He used to abuse me. Great story: 04 at my buddies House in the CoP as the Sox clinch (right before the election and I was up in Jersey for the campaign) the series. My dad immediately calls to congratulate me. I was thinking how big of him. My dad is a great guy and very dry. So he just says, "congrats, I'm glad you finally got to experience this win.....now you know what it feels like a Yankee fan every year" and hangs up. The entire thing was so out-of-character. Which made is so funny.

 

[wcburrs87]

ADP's dad a front-running Yankees' fan. Shocker. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

 

[adp98]

So now a team that hasn't won a playoff series can have frontrunning fans? Don't you need to win something before being considered for frontrunner status?

 

[LizReed]

Yes. No. When fans start following teams because they are finally competitive or winning, I'd call that frontrunning. And smart. Why waste time/money/energy on losers?

 

[Novacatt94]

Is the goal to produce great players or win championships? You could argue the Sox are worse for having not won with those players. Yankee fans used to abuse the Sox fans for these very reasons. My dad was a Yankee fan. He used to abuse me. Great story: 04 at my buddies House in the CoP as the Sox clinch (right before the election and I was up in Jersey for the campaign) the series. My dad immediately calls to congratulate me. I was thinking how big of him. My dad is a great guy and very dry. So he just says, "congrats, I'm glad you finally got to experience this win.....now you know what it feels like a Yankee fan every year" and hangs up. The entire thing was so out-of-character. Which made is so funny.

That's a good line by your Dad.

Burrsie can use that one on you when (if?) the Nats win their first playoff series.

 

[wcburrs87]

That's a good line by your Dad.

Burrsie can use that one on you when (if?) the Nats win their first playoff series.

Novacatt, excellent use of the (if?) feature. Cap tip.

 

[adp98]

And if you know my dad it's more funny. He's so nice and this was completely out of character.

 

[NovaNation1188]

2007 Mets and 2008 Mets were bad chokes, sure. Neither holds a candle to the biggest chokes in history of the sport:

'04 yankees (Up in the 9th inning of Game 4 leading 3 games to 0)
'64 phillies (up 6.5 games with 12 to play. The phillies blew several games in late innings to complete the choke).

 

[wcburrs87]

The '64 Phillies? Cmon lets stay within our lifetimes. You weren't even floating around your dad's sack at that time.

 

[NovaNation1188]

The '64 Phillies? Cmon lets stay within our lifetimes. You weren't even floating around your dad's sack at that time.

You're missing the point. 1964, 2004, 2007, 2014. None really matter. Why talk about the glory days? "Remember when..." is the lowest form of conversation.

It's clear the phillies are absolute garbage now -- which helps them live up to their historical reputation of being garbage.

 

[wcburrs87]

You're missing the point. 1964, 2004, 2007, 2014. None really matter. Why talk about the glory days? "Remember when..." is the lowest form of conversation.

It's clear the phillies are absolute garbage now -- which helps them live up to their historical reputation of being garbage.

You're missing the point of this thread. It was to show trends across baseball over the last 25 years, which I thought was a fair number when considering the people who frequent this board. It had nothing to do with a "remember when or glory days," not even a little.

But if you want to change the topic, move goal posts, then go right ahead.