Moses Malone remembered

[TheDean]

"Shaq began his second career as an NBA journeyman"

"...basic ignorance may be the major reason Shaq's career ended as a journeyman."

"Shaq would play seven additional seasons, as a league journeyman—the majority of those seasons as an all-star.

"In a relatively short period of time, Shaq has gone from potential game changer to cankerous, ring-chasing journeyman whose years of bridge-burning seem to have caught up with him."

 

[NickleDimer]

"Shaq began his second career as an NBA journeyman"

"...basic ignorance may be the major reason Shaq's career ended as a journeyman."

"Shaq would play seven additional seasons, as a league journeyman—the majority of those seasons as an all-star.

"In a relatively short period of time, Shaq has gone from potential game changer to cankerous, ring-chasing journeyman whose years of bridge-burning seem to have caught up with him."

You are citing bleacher report articles and believing them over the actual definition of the word. It's like misusing you're/your and not owning up to it because a blog post did the same thing.

 

[NickleDimer]

Are you a tjc "alt"?

 

[TheDean]

Semantics is all you have left here.

Yes or no, is Moses Malone is best CoP'er ever, despite being a journeyman? That's all I want to know, because you brought it up.

 

[lowry99]

Haven't read much of this, but the argument that he was a journeyman because he hung on late in his career is a joke. Sure, he became a journeyman to keep playing, was a name (and a big guy), eager to play for anyone and that got him some late career opportunities. Most people would look at the first 15 years of his career. Sort of like saying Steve Carlton was a journeyman because he also did the same his last couple years (possible for same reasons, lefthanded pitcher in baseball, big name, etc.).

All of the early career Moses moves have a good explanation. Have to remember that the NBA was not at all healthy in late '70s into very early '80s (until Bird and Magic revitalized the league). He started in the ABA, teams were going bankrupt. Houston couldn't afford him, which motivated the trade to Phila. And the Sixers' trade of him to Wash. (along with the trade of the No. 2 pick at the same time) was real dumb, same ownership group that gave us Barkley for a few role players, Moses could still play during the Bullets years. Too bad couldn't have had him (or Daugherty) on those Thump and Bump teams with Barkley et al., in place of Gminski would've been a real threat to the Pistons IMO.

He was at the limits of his usefulness in Atlanta, should've retired then or after Wash. stint, couldn't let go.

 

[TheDean]

Agreed, the Houston and Philly years were solid for Malone.

I don't know why ND just can't accept that "journeyman" is a word that is actively used in American English about pro athletes who have played for several different teams.

It's *painfully* obvious.

I've heard it all my life on TV, in newspaper articles, magzines, books, movies, and internet articles. It's been adopted this way because there is no other word. What are you going to say instead, "nomad?" "wanderer?"

 

[NickleDimer]

I don't know why ND just can't accept that "journeyman" is a word that is actively used in American English about pro athletes who have played for several different teams.

It is a word that is used incorrectly by dolts to describe very good players who play for multiple teams.

 

[TheDean]

Where did I ever say "very good players?"

You're just an idiot. Try again.

 

[NickleDimer]

The journeyman gallery continues:

 

[nardibynature123]

This is great, thank you.

 

[TheDean]

Grantland "In Memoriam" written by Chuck Klosterman - heard of him?

An excerpt:

Malone played a minor eternity — 21 seasons with nine franchises. He was still averaging a double-double as late as 1990 with the Hawks (although he came damn close again in ’92, as a nearly forgotten journeyman with the Bucks). He ended his career by heaving the ball 77 feet at the end of a quarter and draining a 3-pointer, much to the amusement of everyone involved. Last night he died in his sleep. Moses could finally stop working.

 

[NickleDimer]

a journeyman for the southern newsgroup members:

 

[LizReed]

One more team and Carson Palmer is officially a journeyman QB.

 

[NickleDimer]

Vusports.com "Moses Malone Remembered" written by The Dean - heard of him?

An excerpt:
Malone was a major journeyman in his career - he only played 4 seasons in CoP.


He was a major journeyman in his career. As if journeyman were not a description of quality, but rather ONLY of frequency of changing teams. It's incorrect.

Here are some more journeyman you might recognize:

 

[TheDean]

It's not incorrect and you have been proven wrong scores of times . Why is this so hard for you? Are you really this stupid? Like, really? Let me rephrase: How f*cking stupid are you? There is more than one definition of the word. Originating in the U.K., the word is used freely in the U.S.:

Wikipedia:

In British English, a journeyman is a player who has represented many different clubs over his career. Prime examples from association football are: German goalkeeper Lutz Pfannenstiel, who represented 24 different clubs, and he is currently the only athlete to have played professionally on all six inhabited continents; Trevor Benjamin, who has represented 29 different clubs since 1995; Drewe Broughton, who has made 18 transfers in his career; John Burridge, who played for 29 different clubs in a career spanning almost 30 years; there isJefferson Louis who, since the 1990s, has represented 29 clubs and Dominica once; and Richard Pacquette who boasts 19 different clubs and even international honours in 10 seasons. The term is also used in Australian English in the same context.[7]

There is no convention for the number of transfers required for a player to be considered a journeyman. Journeymen are distinguished from players who play for the same club, or only a few different clubs, throughout their entire careers.

 

[NickleDimer]

You're really reaching now, that's ****ing British english. I'll give you a pass if you're actually this euro-hoops journeyman:

 

[SnottieDrippen]

This is peak benchwarmers. Remembered thread turned into word definition argument. I see the merits on both ends - great case building on both sides. Gonna come down to who wants it more. ND gets into enough skirmishes, this is everyday word vomit for him. This is TheDean making a rare multiple posts in a thread appearance. You know this is drifting into his mind while his boss is talking. I put my money on our native tarheel to pull out some latin roots of the word journey to take this one home

 

[NickleDimer]

Journey man, journeyman:

 

[TheDean]

Ha, I'm not wasting any more time on that stupid f*ck. Keep posting the pics though ND, those are great.

 

[NickleDimer]

Ha, I'm not wasting any more time on that stupid f*ck. Keep posting the pics though ND, those are great.

I'll take that as you conceding the point that Moses Malone is, in fact, not a journeyman.

 

[catFANatic80]

First off Malone was hardly a journeyman...god the guy is listed on the NBA's All Time Team..he is considered one of the greatest players ever in the league or to play basketball for that matter.....that is not a journeyman....anyways as an aside to that I used to bang this this woman whose brothers used to play ball growing up with Moses and apparently he practically lived with her family....from what she described he seemed like a pretty cool guy.

 

[Novacatt94]

....anyways as an aside to that I used to bang this this woman whose brothers used to play ball growing up with Moses and apparently he practically lived with her family....from what she described he seemed like a pretty cool guy.

Solid anecdote. Cap tip.

 

[VURambler]

First off Malone was hardly a journeyman...god the guy is listed on the NBA's All Time Team..he is considered one of the greatest players ever in the league or to play basketball for that matter.....that is not a journeyman....anyways as an aside to that I used to bang this this woman whose brothers used to play ball growing up with Moses and apparently he practically lived with her family....from what she described he seemed like a pretty cool guy.

Sounds like you enjoyed Moses Malone's sloppy seconds.

 

[SnottieDrippen]

catFAN did you dip into ebony waters? I'm currently pursuing this girl from South Africa. Would be my first black girl since college - pretty nervous about it without the beer balls i had then

 

[lowry99]

Terry Mulholland was the prototypical journeyman to me (notwithstanding several years of quality work as a starter for the Phils from about '89 to early '93). Could think of many other relievers who fit the bill though.

 

[catFANatic80]

Nothing much to worry about Snots, all the parts are pretty much the same..she really seemed to enjoy it though, a bit more than others....I might still be paying her visits if she hadn't moved back to Petersburg.

 

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[The_Z_Man]

a journeyman for the southern newsgroup members:

I don't get this. Even though he isn't sponsored by Dupont anymore, he's never driven for anybody but Hendrick.

 

[NickleDimer]

I don't get this. Even though he isn't sponsored by Dupont anymore, he's never driven for anybody but Hendrick.

Are you a Nascar fan?

 

[The_Z_Man]

Are you a Nascar fan?

I'm a motorsports fan that mainly watches F1, IndyCar and sports cars.

 

[wcburrs87]

Great, HOF players who play for many organizations are never called journeyman. That tag is saved for the Latroy Hawkins' of the world.

 

[ChicagoSux]

Wow. Now I know who the Eddie Harris charcter in Major League is based on.

 

[nardibynature123]

I guess Chipper, River, and Jeter are the only non-journeymen in the world.

 

[NickleDimer]

It sounds like the Dean is all alone on his incorrect usage of journeyman.