Peyton Manning's Career Remembered
- Thread starter bmoneynova
- Start date
If you going by tightest spiral then this is correct. If you going to throw in intangibles, his ability to extend a play, etc then it's debatable.
My order....
Brady
Montana
Elway
Manning
Marino
Favre
Young
John Elway is one of the more overrated players of all-time IMO. still good, but he is nowhere near 3rd best all-time. I can't get on board with that.
Brady
Montana
Elway
Peyton
Marino
Young
Favre
Young is higher if Joe Cool isn't around to take away some of his prime years. Elway over Marino because of the 2 bowls. Like it or not those matter. Young over Favre because Favre was a compiler toward the end and as stated Young was robbed of some prime years. By the time he's done Rodgers will have well surpassed Favre on this list.
if you gave Dan Marino some of the teams that Elway had, he would've won 5 Super Bowls
If you gave Elway the teams Marino was on he would have won 4 or 5 rings. Those teams were LOADED. Problem was, Marino wasn't a team player and only worried about his individual stats, not about trying to win.
I might put Rothlisburger ahead of Marino.
I might put Rothlisburger ahead of Marino.
Brady over Montana?
Granted, it's the SF Chronicle, but http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2016/0...rpass-joe-montana-as-the-leagues-greatest-qb/
I like the points where Montana got destroyed in an era where he could get destroyed and still won. Once you hit Brady, he's been known to fold.
Granted, it's the SF Chronicle, but http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2016/0...rpass-joe-montana-as-the-leagues-greatest-qb/
I like the points where Montana got destroyed in an era where he could get destroyed and still won. Once you hit Brady, he's been known to fold.
Once you hit Montana he's been known to fold. Actually, once you hit any QB they generally don't play as well. What a stupid comment that is.
Anyway, I think all but the New Jersey Jets fans put Brady above Montana at this point. Those holding out for Montana are like 76ers fans putting Wilt above Jordan.
Anyway, I think all but the New Jersey Jets fans put Brady above Montana at this point. Those holding out for Montana are like 76ers fans putting Wilt above Jordan.
Easy now. Elway was a huge reason DEN even sniffed those first 3 SB appearances.
When comparing HOF QBs rings matter. When comparing ordinary Joes to HOF QBs, then not so much.
Per ball's argument as long as you get to the superbowl then you are gr8 so Elway is the 2nd gr8est.
Interesting looking back at Marino's career. Started off so incredibly with 5,084 yards / 48 TDs in his first full season and a SB appearance. The 48 TDs was a record for 19 years until P. Manning broke it in 2004; and only two other times since then has it been surpassed (Brady 2007, Manning 2013).
Miami never had a running game, although they utilized the short passing game to their RBs. The '85 team was poised to face the Bears in the Super Bowl but they lost to New England in a rout, turning the ball over 6 times (2 INTs and a fumble by Marino, 3 other fumbles lost). Miami was also the only team to defeat the 15-1 Bears in that regular season, a memorable Week 13 Monday Night Football affair in which Marino averaged 19.3 yards per completion and torched the consensus best defense of all time for three touchdowns.
From there Marino was still well in his prime - leading the league in passing in '86 and '88 - but Miami's defense became almost laughably bad, and they did not make the playoffs for 4 straight years.
Coinciding with Miami's late-80s struggles was rise of the Buffalo Bills in Miami's own division. The Bills beat Marino's Dolphins in the playoffs three times - 1990, 1992, 1995 - and dominated the AFC East for several years. Miami's record with Marino at QB against the Bills from '87-95 was 4-13. Miami was also not a cold-weather team and always had a hard time in Orchard Park.
Marino did have a decent chance in the '94 season but lost in the divisional playoff round to the Chargers, 22-21. Marino played flawlessly (262 yards, 3 TDs, no INTs or fumbles) but a Bernie Parmalee safety in the 3rd quarter turned out to be the difference. The 49ers were going to be a tough out in the Super Bowl that year anyway.
By the time Miami made the playoffs again (1997), Marino was 36 and on the decline and facing 25-year-old Drew Bledsoe on Pete Carroll's Patriots team. The two had squared off in one the most memorable passing duels in the history of the league a few years earlier in the season opener. Marino triumphed 39-35 while throwing 5 touchdowns and 473 yards passing (Bledsoe had 421 and 4). But this time New England dominated TOP and the turnover battle, and Marino was no longer the gunslinger we had become so used to seeing on Sundays.
Two more times Marino made the playoffs - finally getting some revenge on the Bills in 1998 (24-14); but his last career game was an ignominious one - 67-7 to Tom Coughlin's/Dom Capers' Jags.
Miami never had a running game, although they utilized the short passing game to their RBs. The '85 team was poised to face the Bears in the Super Bowl but they lost to New England in a rout, turning the ball over 6 times (2 INTs and a fumble by Marino, 3 other fumbles lost). Miami was also the only team to defeat the 15-1 Bears in that regular season, a memorable Week 13 Monday Night Football affair in which Marino averaged 19.3 yards per completion and torched the consensus best defense of all time for three touchdowns.
From there Marino was still well in his prime - leading the league in passing in '86 and '88 - but Miami's defense became almost laughably bad, and they did not make the playoffs for 4 straight years.
Coinciding with Miami's late-80s struggles was rise of the Buffalo Bills in Miami's own division. The Bills beat Marino's Dolphins in the playoffs three times - 1990, 1992, 1995 - and dominated the AFC East for several years. Miami's record with Marino at QB against the Bills from '87-95 was 4-13. Miami was also not a cold-weather team and always had a hard time in Orchard Park.
Marino did have a decent chance in the '94 season but lost in the divisional playoff round to the Chargers, 22-21. Marino played flawlessly (262 yards, 3 TDs, no INTs or fumbles) but a Bernie Parmalee safety in the 3rd quarter turned out to be the difference. The 49ers were going to be a tough out in the Super Bowl that year anyway.
By the time Miami made the playoffs again (1997), Marino was 36 and on the decline and facing 25-year-old Drew Bledsoe on Pete Carroll's Patriots team. The two had squared off in one the most memorable passing duels in the history of the league a few years earlier in the season opener. Marino triumphed 39-35 while throwing 5 touchdowns and 473 yards passing (Bledsoe had 421 and 4). But this time New England dominated TOP and the turnover battle, and Marino was no longer the gunslinger we had become so used to seeing on Sundays.
Two more times Marino made the playoffs - finally getting some revenge on the Bills in 1998 (24-14); but his last career game was an ignominious one - 67-7 to Tom Coughlin's/Dom Capers' Jags.
Montana
P. Manning
Brady
Elway
Marino
S. Young
Favre
Hard to put Young much higher since the body of work is not as significant as everyone else on the list. Got to do some low pressure USFL and TB Bucs on the job training with no one watching and then sit, watch and learn under/with the absolute best offensive coaches/players in SF, great situations/personnel, and we only really saw him during his prime years. I feel like he gets rated on about 4 years of play in that great situation, once 49ers were in decline, he didn't elevate the rest of the team, wasn't as good and got out.
It pains me to put Brady as high on the list as I did, but his consistency (almost compiling) and the work he's done over the years with some crap receivers earned him that place, overcomes his chokes in the Giants SBs that cost his best teams titles.
If Manning had the support Brady got from Belichik in terms of cheating, good defense, etc. and Brady had to basically coach his teams like Peyton did for years, I think it would be hard to argue Brady over Peyton.
P. Manning
Brady
Elway
Marino
S. Young
Favre
Hard to put Young much higher since the body of work is not as significant as everyone else on the list. Got to do some low pressure USFL and TB Bucs on the job training with no one watching and then sit, watch and learn under/with the absolute best offensive coaches/players in SF, great situations/personnel, and we only really saw him during his prime years. I feel like he gets rated on about 4 years of play in that great situation, once 49ers were in decline, he didn't elevate the rest of the team, wasn't as good and got out.
It pains me to put Brady as high on the list as I did, but his consistency (almost compiling) and the work he's done over the years with some crap receivers earned him that place, overcomes his chokes in the Giants SBs that cost his best teams titles.
If Manning had the support Brady got from Belichik in terms of cheating, good defense, etc. and Brady had to basically coach his teams like Peyton did for years, I think it would be hard to argue Brady over Peyton.
I agree with your point that if Manning was on the Pats he'd have more rings while Brady on the Colts/Broncos may have two rings but when exactly was Manning having to coach his own team?
Isn't Dungy in the HOF? He had some pretty good coaches in Denver too.
NickleDimer
Post 'Til Your Fingers Bleed
Pretty sure Peyton was running things throughout the Caldwell era in Indy, as long as he was playing.
Dungy was overrated IMO as well and definitely not an offensive mastermind, probably more of an Andy Talley type organizer, kept the team together but delegated most responsibility to his assistants, or in the case of the offense, largely to Peyton.
It's fair to say though that Dungy was not on Belichik's level when they were matching up, and Dungy also has integrity so he wasn't cheating for Peyton, playing field not level. Belichik is definitely more hands on as a coach by all accounts.
Peyton did have the benefit of Jim Mora early on, probably learned some things, though Mora was getting too old and cranky by then as we know.
Yeah, compiling super bowl and conference championship rings. The best type of compiler.
Typical Jets fan....
ball- who is/was a better QB
Dan Marino or Eli Manning?
Dan Marino or Joe Flacco?
Dan Marino or Trent Dilfer?
Dan Marino or Eli Manning?
Dan Marino or Joe Flacco?
Dan Marino or Trent Dilfer?
Marino. Although if I were given a choice I would opt for Eli's career over Marino's.
John Elway is an all time great even without all the team success. The team success just puts him over the top.
Pro Bowls:
Elway = 9
Marino = 9
NFL MVP
Elway = 1
Marino = 1
This isn't just about Elway's 5 AFC Championships and 2 Super Bowl rings
I have never even thought that there were people out there who would put Marino ahead of Elway.
Brady 11
Manning 6
Of course a Jets fan wouldn't consider that "owning" because you are more accustomed to:
Brady 11
New Jersey Jets 7
Neither QB could win on the road against the other. Last to win a road game against the other was Brady in 2007. Peyton's two Bronco's teams to make the super bowl were better than the Patriots, the one in the RCA dome where Caldwell dropped the TD, was a wash. Caldwell doesn't drop that TD pass and Tom's raising the lombardi trophy in Miami...neither of them were losing to Rex Grossman and Lovie Smith.