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Reverse Gentrification

Disparate impact is a menace. Despite the conservative huffing and puffing about the Obamacare and gay marriage decisions, the worst Supreme Court decision of the term was the one that expanded disparate impact claims in housing.
 
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This jabronie realizes that he's a complete failure at his job, so he's whoring hinself out to the minority population as his last hope of having a positive legacy. Which, of course, he will because he can do no wrong to them.

By "this jabronie," i mean Burrs.
 
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Whites have no problem with blacks living in their buildings in NYC - provided their household income is 250K, or thereabouts.
 
I don't see the big concern here? Cities have to report where the poor people live every 3-5 years? We'll eventually have another Republican president. The next one might even eliminate HUD entirely.

What's everyone concerned about?
 
looks like a good plan to me. provide more opportunity for those looking for better opportunities.
 
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"It goes right to the heart of whether you believe that African American people’s lives matter, that you respect them, that you believe they can be your neighbors, that you want them to play with your children.”

Quality quote. Unfortunately, the policies that were designed to encourage integration in that past like section 8 have mostly failed. There are so many landlords that don't accept the vouchers in suburban neighborhoods that the poor end up congregated in slumlord housing. The ones that make it do the suburbs have frequently had negative impacts on a lot of those neighborhoods. Middle class and wealthy people generally don't want to live around poor people reagrdless of race. I'm not saying this is right but it is the reality and there is no short-term solution.
 
tjc3844 said:
Even Jimmy Carter says that which is the ultimate insult!
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There is a lapse in logic there, TJC. You are suggesting that Jimmy Carter was incompetent as a president, therefore, he is most qualified to judge the competency of our current president.

It seems to me the opposite would be true. If Carter knows what it takes to be a good president, why didn't he perform better?
 
If ya can't fix the ghettos, just take the people out of it!

I think the first generations of the people who leave the ghetto probably aren't welcomed in the community. But their kids grow up around other more stable kids and have a better shot at becoming a productive member of society. Impact of these kind of things are 20 years down the road.

I don't think this is anything great or anything that will ruin america either.
 
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Used to live in Stamford. A lot of the new residential buildings were mandated to have 10% or so "Section 8" housing. I have no problem with that. To the point made by @SnottieDrippen , integrating less fortunate families is fine. But you also need to respect the home ownership rights and property values of the folks in these communities.

You can't just drop a new apartment complex with all Section 8 into adp's backyard.
 
"Diluting" the poor population certainly makes it less volatile. The issue with these huge housing projects in big cities is that they just become a breeding ground for crime and flood the schools with difficult kids, setting them further back and further perpetuating the issue. But I also don't know if mandating a certain % of low income (section 8-not just affordable, for say blue collar) is good for those people given that a lot of areas are not inherently catered to them. They should not be shopping at whole foods and other such stores, simply because its not economically feasible for them. Also, if the thinking is, they become better contributing member of society in a more privileged area, how quickly are they overqualified for said low income housing, but can't afford to live next door. I haven't looked into it enough and don't know what areas are being proposed, but these are some of the things that I immediately think about.
 
Why can't liberals just accept that in a capitalist society, there are classes. There are haves and have nots. End of story. Stop trying to cram poor people into rich neighborhoods as if that will somehow make everything better. Sorry but if that's the world you desire, move to China.
 
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NickleDimer said:
It's a disservice to poor people to move them from densely populated areas with access to affordable public transit and greater economic opportunity.
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The part about public transit is actually true. Not a lot of subway and bus routes running near affluent suburbs. Also not a lot of places take EBT cards either in those hoods. They'd be more comfortable living near Temple than Villanova.
 
CherryHillTaxGuy said:
The part about public transit is actually true. Not a lot of subway and bus routes running near affluent suburbs. Also not a lot of places take EBT cards either in those hoods. They'd be more comfortable living near Temple than Villanova.
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You have it backwards. Foyeeffect already informed us that the only acceptable places for upper middle class people to live in Pennsylvania is along the R5.
 
Trying to cure poverty for the current generation is a losing proposition. Unfortunately, most of these efforts seek to do exactly that.

What we should try to do is improve schools for poor children, especially gifted poor children so that the future generations have a better chance. In Philadelphia for example, the serious students who live in Strawberry Mansion should not be forced to go to Strawberry Mansion High School and deal with woefully inadequate resources and teachers while worrying about getting stabbed by miscreants who are only in school because they have been threatened by their truancy officer and have no aspiration to do anything in life that doesn't involve criminal enterprise.
 
TheFoyeEffect said:
What we should try to do is improve schools for poor children, especially gifted poor children so that the future generations have a better chance. In Philadelphia for example, the serious students who live in Strawberry Mansion should not be forced to go to Strawberry Mansion High School ....
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Don't gifted kids just go to Mastery or Central? Or get comped at a private school?
The bigger problem is more than half of students not being at grade level in math and reading.

There aren't any manufacturing jobs anymore where you can hide the part of the workforce that is illiterate and can't count.
 
TheFoyeEffect said:
Trying to cure poverty for the current generation is a losing proposition. Unfortunately, most of these efforts seek to do exactly that.

What we should try to do is improve schools for poor children, especially gifted poor children so that the future generations have a better chance. In Philadelphia for example, the serious students who live in Strawberry Mansion should not be forced to go to Strawberry Mansion High School and deal with woefully inadequate resources and teachers while worrying about getting stabbed by miscreants who are only in school because they have been threatened by their truancy officer and have no aspiration to do anything in life that doesn't involve criminal enterprise.
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"Gifted" kids that live in SM more than likely don't go to SM. these kids are typically identified along the way and pushed towards better options.
 
wcburrs87 said:
"Gifted" kids that live in SM more than likely don't go to SM. these kids are typically identified along the way and pushed towards better options.
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There are plenty of gifted kids who slip through the cracks due to learning disabilities, etc. Said students, when their issues are not properly addressed at an early age tend to become behavioral problems. I went to one of the richest and best school districts in the state and they were woefully bad when dealing with special ed students. I can't imagine how it is when kids are poor and come from fractured homes in a not good school district.

I would be willing to bet that if you took a sample of the state correctional instutitions in Pennsylvania, you would find an alarming number of people with IQs over 120 from inner-city public schools.
 
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NickleDimer said:
IQs over 120 and in jail? Sounds like a decision making problem rather than an educational one. Unless you are proposing top to bottom life coaching curriculum in schools.
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A student with Asperger syndrome who is poor and poorly schooled will end up homeless, jobless and reliant on government assistance, or in jail. Learning disabilities lead to gaps in coping skills, especially when they aren't being addressed.
 
An IQ of 120 is a long way from being "gifted" in every school district that I am familiar with. From my experience, the cut off is usually 135. There is a large percentile gap between 120 and 135.

What is your source for saying a large portion of the prison population is over 120? Why does it matter? Not every criminal is a moron, some are just bad people. I wouldn't feel any better about being stabbed by a half wit compared to a genius.

I think you would have a hard time finding many illiterate people with IQs above 120. The problem is helping those that lack aptitude. There are also cultural problems in the poor communities that lead to low performance. Paying teachers more is politically popular but doesn't change anything.
 
Until things change at home the cycle will always repeat itself. Too many people who shouldn't be having kids continuing to have them. It's just not environment conducive to future success.
 
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FatPhilM said:
An IQ of 120 is a long way from being "gifted" in every school district that I am familiar with. From my experience, the cut off is usually 135. There is a large percentile gap between 120 and 135.

What is your source for saying a large portion of the prison population is over 120? Why does it matter? Not every criminal is a moron, some are just bad people. I wouldn't feel any better about being stabbed by a half wit compared to a genius.
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An IQ of 120 is considered "superior" and is above the 90th percentile. An IQ of 135 is probably the 99th percentile.

I don't have any concrete data to back up my claims about prisoners with an IQ of 120 or higher. It was an arbitrary number and people with a lower IQ than that should be able to achieve with semi-competent schooling.

What I do know that data shows is that people with learning disabilities (average or above average intelligence) are more likely to fail classes, be held back grades, and drop out from school. We know that dropouts are more likely to be in prison. A person with dyslexia for example. They could have an IQ of 160, but if they're exposed early and often to crappy teachers and schools, they're exponentially more likely to drop out than someone in a more advantageous position who has nowhere near the same intellectual capacity.
 
I just looked it up and a 120 IQ is 89th percentile - that surprises me. I figure ld 75th or so. 130+ is gifted in PA.

It seems pretty obvious that kids with learning disabilities will struggle more with school. That will always be true. I don't know anything about the relationship between IQ and learning disabilities. I can say that I have known a couple people with dislexia who were much smarter in real life than their standardized test scores would suggest.
 
FatPhilM said:
I don't know anything about the relationship between IQ and learning disabilities.
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In order to be classified as having a learning disability, a person must have average or above average intellectual functioning, so the mean IQ of people with learning disabilities is going to be higher than the population at large.
 
A research collegue of mine has Asperger's. Really a brilliant scientist, but man, what a goofball. Perhaps that's why he is so gifted working with cells as opposed to people.
 
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