Tim Donaghy: White Power!
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Speaking of Delco, there was a pretty good feature in the CoP Inquirer about how bad a deal the county and the City of Chester have gotten out of PPL Park.
I am biased toward urban lif over suburban but I believe the above is a myth based mostly on racism. Upper Daby has always had a large immigrant population. It used to be mostly Irish and Greeks. Now the area gets a ton of Middle Eastern, Asian and African immigrants. There are still a lot of Irish immigrants. The area is getting darker but so it the American population.
Upper Darby remains the most culturally diverse area in the Philadelphia suburbs. It is also the most interesting and authentic in my opinion. It has its gritty areas, for sure. Most of these like Fernwood and Stonehurst have always been a little rough. Some other areas have certainly declined too. But it is not what people would think if they aren't aware of what a buffoon Chitwood is when reading the paper.
The Tower Theatre is awesome. The infrastructure is very good. H Mart, authentic ethnic retaurants, the El, the Media trolley, etc. It is bizarre to me when I hear people from sterile suburbs like Exton talk about the perils of Upper Darby. Sure, it's an urban area with urban problems so you need to have some common sense but it is worlds safer than Fishtown or University Hospital.
Upper Darby is a city, not a neighborhood. It is made up of about a dozen neighborhoods and they can be very different. it makes no sense to compare Upper Darby to a place like Broomall when Upper Darby is some much bigger and so much more diverse in every way. Fernwood and Highland Park are totally different. Bywood and Drexel Park are totally different.
In my opinion, the real estate is seriously undervalued here - especially near 69th Street Terminal. If I had a lot of money, I'd buy an apartment building there. It has great access to Center City, good restaurants, stores and is safer than most parts of University City. It seems due for a surge in property values.
. . . Or it may become Kensington. Time will tell.
Clifton has always been rough but the south west part of the county is the meth capital. Ever heard of Marcus Hook? Chester?
FatPhil - Drexel Hill/Havertown/Ardmore has really nice parts. other than that Upper Darby is a complete s**t hole. its west philly.
in 20 years anything north of the rose tree media area is gonna be "urban".
in 20 years anything north of the rose tree media area is gonna be "urban".
there are or were two parts of clifton. westbrook part down to the field. that was normal middle class people. once you went deeper down Springfield rd it got rougher towards Aldan. i spent many many days and nights in clifton as a kid and it was a nice place. but driving down Oak ave and Springfield rd to the Phillies games with my dad i see a different neighborhood. once a check cashing place moves in there goes the neighborhood.
Wish Tokyo was still up and running. Have video of me cranking one out on this Delco girls fake stripper fans.
"Shit hole" is a matter of perspective. I love Media. Rose tree is okay but is very suburban and boring. I have no stake in the argument but I think a lot of people see minorities and Footlocker stores and conclude a place is a shit hole. In fact, 10 years ago I would have said Upper Darby is a shit hole. I started commuting through 69th Street on occasion. It has a very urban feel but is pretty clean compared to other busy, urban areas. Is Brooklyn a shithole? What about University City, Northern Liberties, Chinatown, Point Breeze or Graduate Hospital? Those places all have a closer feel to Upper Darby than Rose Tree. I am not saying it is any paradise but it is actually a pretty neat place if you take snobbery out of it.
There are places in Delaware County that are shit holes in my opinion. Chester has few redeeming qualities. Parts of Aston and Upland with their trailer parks are bad (I was shocked when I found out places like this existed in Delaware County). Most of Marcus Hook is bad. Eddystone is a wasteland. Darby is West Philly now. Collingdale is pretty far gone.
There are other places that are sterile, ugly sprawl like parts of Concord Township, some parts of Newtown Square. Unfortunately, Western Delaware County and much of Chester County is beginning to look like New Jersey. The Borough of West Chester is nice but Exton looks like South Jersey. These places remind me of boring, middle-aged guys in penny loafers that get their kicks talking about golf. I'm no party animal but I find these places dull. It's all a matter of preference, I guess. There is a distinct national trend of younger adults of means moving toward urban centers, though, when 40 years ago the trend was the opposite.
There are places in Delaware County that are shit holes in my opinion. Chester has few redeeming qualities. Parts of Aston and Upland with their trailer parks are bad (I was shocked when I found out places like this existed in Delaware County). Most of Marcus Hook is bad. Eddystone is a wasteland. Darby is West Philly now. Collingdale is pretty far gone.
There are other places that are sterile, ugly sprawl like parts of Concord Township, some parts of Newtown Square. Unfortunately, Western Delaware County and much of Chester County is beginning to look like New Jersey. The Borough of West Chester is nice but Exton looks like South Jersey. These places remind me of boring, middle-aged guys in penny loafers that get their kicks talking about golf. I'm no party animal but I find these places dull. It's all a matter of preference, I guess. There is a distinct national trend of younger adults of means moving toward urban centers, though, when 40 years ago the trend was the opposite.
good points.
i grew up in springfield/clifton heights area and when i moved to Nova i couldnt believe how nice the mainline was and i never left. moved to Wayne from 04-10, now live in Malvern. Wayne was fun for me with all the bars on wayne ave and malvern is great cause my golf club is right there and the Pig is a decent spot. im 34 so im not partying anymore and never really was a partier post college. i love the quiet, the farms, i have horses as neighbors not people. i love it. only hard part is getting to the bridges. takes forever.
i grew up in springfield/clifton heights area and when i moved to Nova i couldnt believe how nice the mainline was and i never left. moved to Wayne from 04-10, now live in Malvern. Wayne was fun for me with all the bars on wayne ave and malvern is great cause my golf club is right there and the Pig is a decent spot. im 34 so im not partying anymore and never really was a partier post college. i love the quiet, the farms, i have horses as neighbors not people. i love it. only hard part is getting to the bridges. takes forever.
my gf lives downtown. i can take market st on a sat in the summer for all of 10 seconds before i need to get back to the burbs. im not a city guy, never was.
I don't feel like reading through the entire thread to see if this has already been mentioned, so I'll take my BB2N if warranted, but the recent daytime home invasion in Broomall was scary. They pistol whipped a teenage boy when he answered the door and tied up he and the Mom while they robbed them blind. My former neighbor lives a block away. Very quiet street with wooded areas behind the houses.
Cops arrested 3 out of the 4 "perpetrators" almost immediately and have ID'd the fourth one.
Victims apparently own a business and they kept large amounts of cash in the house.
I'll let others speculate as to the identifying characteristics of the alleged suspects and victims as I prefer to avoid spending three days in the penalty box (although I don't usually post much on the weekends so doing the time would be a breeze). Out of respect for the moderator of this newsgroup, I'll exercise some self-restraint.
Cops arrested 3 out of the 4 "perpetrators" almost immediately and have ID'd the fourth one.
Victims apparently own a business and they kept large amounts of cash in the house.
I'll let others speculate as to the identifying characteristics of the alleged suspects and victims as I prefer to avoid spending three days in the penalty box (although I don't usually post much on the weekends so doing the time would be a breeze). Out of respect for the moderator of this newsgroup, I'll exercise some self-restraint.
Malvern is nice but that is the borderline country in some areas. I have a relative there that lives on 7 acres and has horses. I could see the appeal of that. Malvern also has a town center that adds to the appeal.
I would take this:
over this:
I would take this:
over this:
Victims apparently own a business and they kept large amounts of cash in the house.
inside job? thats more than just random crime in that area. it was some plotted because of circumstance.
now if Swiss Farms starts getting robbed on rte 3 than Broomall has a problem.
that house above is the borough of malvern. Warren Ave, Sugartown rd has ncie homes, normal homes not like the ones up more towards the Hunt Area. thats for people with F you money.
inside job? thats more than just random crime in that area. it was some plotted because of circumstance.
now if Swiss Farms starts getting robbed on rte 3 than Broomall has a problem.
that house above is the borough of malvern. Warren Ave, Sugartown rd has ncie homes, normal homes not like the ones up more towards the Hunt Area. thats for people with F you money.
Swiss Farms was robbed at gunpoint about a year or so ago. Does not happen very often but it is concerning.
On the other hand, bank robberies and such literally "happen everywhere." Not really a reflection of the area in which it occurs.
As for the home invasion, someone staked them out and figured out their routine. Similar incident occurred a few years ago in Broomall, but in a neighborhood close to the Blue Route.
never have large amounts of cash on hand. if youre a cash business deposit it every so many hrs. stupid be set yourself up like that. not saying its ok to rob them but you have to be more careful when you have cash business.
even Avon Barksdale deposited the count nightly.
even Avon Barksdale deposited the count nightly.
I agree in part. That family was targeted because the perpetrators knew that there would be cash there. There have been cases like that in Concord too that I am aware of.
I disagree that a robbery at Swiss Farms would signal a problem in Broomall. Along a major thoroughfare there are going to be crimes. The bank robberies in Media didn't signal a decline. Shit happens. Criminals prey on what they see as easy or lucrative targets and will go into an area away from their homes. If the neighbors themselves are criminals you have a problem.
Broomall is becoming more diverse, as is Havertown. Still predominantly white, but just about all of the suburbs are increasing their minority numbers. Sometimes it is more of a sign of social progress than neighborhood decay. I remember when people were upset that Greeks were moving into Broomall.
I disagree that a robbery at Swiss Farms would signal a problem in Broomall. Along a major thoroughfare there are going to be crimes. The bank robberies in Media didn't signal a decline. Shit happens. Criminals prey on what they see as easy or lucrative targets and will go into an area away from their homes. If the neighbors themselves are criminals you have a problem.
Broomall is becoming more diverse, as is Havertown. Still predominantly white, but just about all of the suburbs are increasing their minority numbers. Sometimes it is more of a sign of social progress than neighborhood decay. I remember when people were upset that Greeks were moving into Broomall.
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Agree with the above. This is one of the reasons why NIMBY's opposed the Blue Route. Easy access and quick exits for scumbags to scurry back to their ratholes after committing crimes.
I see the Asian population increasing in Broomall. Some of them are Sikhs(?) Clad head to toe on 95 degree days. Some of them literally sit on the curb on random street corners on busy major thoroughfares. Strange to see in an area that is overwhelmingly white with the exception of other Asian groups like Chinese and Koreans who have assimilated into the mainstream culture for the most part.
I see the Asian population increasing in Broomall. Some of them are Sikhs(?) Clad head to toe on 95 degree days. Some of them literally sit on the curb on random street corners on busy major thoroughfares. Strange to see in an area that is overwhelmingly white with the exception of other Asian groups like Chinese and Koreans who have assimilated into the mainstream culture for the most part.
The acceptable municipalities to live in the Philadelphia area are Malvern, Easttown, Tredyffrin, Radnor, Lower Merion, Haverford, and Narberth. If it doesn't touch the R5 West of Overbrook or East of Malvern train station, it's the ghetto or the boonies.
It's official.
Seriously, you obviously don't know the area. Nothing against Narberth but the housing stock is pretty bad and it is full of SJU (PA) grads. Otherwise it's a decent town. But there are plenty of areas in Philly that are much nicer. Chestnut Hill blows most of the areas you mentioned away. Most of Center City does too. In the burbs, Media is nicer than Narberth. Upper Providence Township, Edgemont and Swarthmore are on par with Radnor - probably nicer overall. Doylestown, Glenside, etc. are nice. You approve of places that you know from Nova, that's all.
I would bet the incomes of people in Edgmont, Swarthmore and Upper Providence are significantly higher than in Narberth or Haverford Township. The rich folks out there in their mansions must not know that they should be in a twin in Narberth or Ardmore.
This is just unacceptable: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/210-White-Tail-Ln-Media-PA-19063/9421584_zpid/
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I'm on my phone and feeling too lazy but my quick look on Wikipedia shows a median household income in Narberth of $79,800. In Swarthmore it's $138,600 (and median family income of $187,800).
Getting off topic, what do these numbers mean? Are there really a high number of people raising families in Narberth with less than $80,000 / yr in income? Wallingford, a place with beautiful houses has a median household incomes of $86,000. How is this possible? I am obviously missing something.
Getting off topic, what do these numbers mean? Are there really a high number of people raising families in Narberth with less than $80,000 / yr in income? Wallingford, a place with beautiful houses has a median household incomes of $86,000. How is this possible? I am obviously missing something.
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Shit, I'm in New Hope. I never knew that was unacceptable. I didn't know foye was status obsessed. Maybe he's trying to fill in for Joe Merc.
Speaking of Westbrook Park, is anyone looking for a McMansion in the area?
I drove past this yesterday and it is bizarre. In the heard of a working class area some developer decided to put a Glouster County - style development. I saw them being build and advertised years ago for around $450,000 and wondered who the hell would buy them. Looking at zillow, apparently no one did until the prices dropped to $150k. Then the township reassed them so people in $150k mcmansions are paying 11k+ in real estate taxes. Very strange.
I drove past this yesterday and it is bizarre. In the heard of a working class area some developer decided to put a Glouster County - style development. I saw them being build and advertised years ago for around $450,000 and wondered who the hell would buy them. Looking at zillow, apparently no one did until the prices dropped to $150k. Then the township reassed them so people in $150k mcmansions are paying 11k+ in real estate taxes. Very strange.