We're Number 1
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NickleDimer
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Trying to figure that out right now on the temple board. They honestly believe temple is a better school than Villanova. These are the same people who think temple will be a blue blood in 3-4 years after the aac makes it big.
Penn alum doesn't seem to like it - says too many Penn grads are buy siders
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...uch-better-business-school-than-Wharton-.html
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/...uch-better-business-school-than-Wharton-.html
UPDATE 3 pm: After publishing a list that rated Villanova University the No. 1 undergraduate business school in the U.S., downgraded Penn's Wharton, and excluded large state-backed B-school programs like Temple's Fox and Delaware's Lerner, Bloomberg LP has told colleges it won't rate undergraduate B-schools again, according to a note circulated to colleges and obtained by the Inquirer.
So Temple complains and Bloomberg just says...we're done here. Makes sense.
So Temple complains and Bloomberg just says...we're done here. Makes sense.
More like..."we realized we created such a worthless list that has no credibility whatsoever, we've decided that we will stop ranking undergraduate business school programs, since we obviously don't know what we are doing."
Priceless.
You mad?
Things like salary, employer satisfaction, etc don't matter I guess. Good to know?
Mad? I think it's hysterical. Instead of standing behind and defending their work, Bloomberg decides to fold their tent up and go home....
Businessweek changed their methodology this year, focusing more on the student experience and the impact our graduates have in the business world. The student survey focused on their educational experience and how prepared they felt for the business world. They were asked about program features like campus climate, effectiveness of career services, and responsiveness of faculty and staff. I believe that a #10 ranking in this survey illustrates how positive our students feel about VSB and their preparedness to hit the ground running in their careers.
The employer survey ranking was quite different this year as well. The methodology measured how well business programs prepare graduates. Employers were asked to rate our graduates’ performance on the specific qualities important to them. We routinely hear from our employers that our students and graduates outperform many of the best schools in the country. This methodology allowed this feedback to shine. The #2 ranking for the employer survey highlights what we have been hearing anecdotally from recruiters for many years.
The employer survey ranking was quite different this year as well. The methodology measured how well business programs prepare graduates. Employers were asked to rate our graduates’ performance on the specific qualities important to them. We routinely hear from our employers that our students and graduates outperform many of the best schools in the country. This methodology allowed this feedback to shine. The #2 ranking for the employer survey highlights what we have been hearing anecdotally from recruiters for many years.
Considering Bloomberg is running away as fast as it can from it's own rankings, I'm pretty happy Temple is not on this list.
I just don't get how a school jumps up 24 spots on a list like this. What did they do in one year to make that much of a move? Is this another Nova law school situation? Or more realistically, are these lists just really dumb and subjective? Truthfully, wouldn't "salary rank" be the only real number that matters?
The good thing is that the NCAA basketball titles are still decided on the court, I'll give you credit for that.
Do you read? Or do you just blindly think things are wrong when you don't like them? I posted an eloquent response about the rankings and how we landed at the top.
I think you give Temple way too much credit. I don't understand why Bloomberg won't defend what they published...instead they are running away from it like it's a building engulfed in flames....
Jack, to quote Mike Ditka responding to a caller who
called him a coward after a Bears loss 13 years ago,
"What you are I can't say (in this case, on your forum).
But my office is at 250 North Washington and you name
the time and .... I'll whoop your a$$."
I don't go anywhere near that far, but you obviously
have some major issues, my man. You don't know
spit about Villanova based on your gross generalization
about the school and the students.
Villanova is NOT Vanillanova anymore. We have 15%
minority in our freshman class, a little short, admittedly,
in the African-American area (4%), but the push to
diversity is all-out and among the potential acceptees
this year, we are at 19%.
What is good enough to meet your great standards,
50%? 75?
You are talking to someone who is involved in our
admissions process and knows our situation well.
So maybe if I were you, I'd stop letting my posterior
overload my fingertips and get a clue.
Secondarily, at least 3 writers said the Pavilion was
going bonkers Sunday. But then, you're an omniscient
know-it-all, so why bother?
Your faux elitism is impressive, though, Mr. Harvard
on the Potomac. I leave by genuflecting in your general
direction. O great purveyor of seminal knowledge, I
hope that satisfies your intellectual pursuit for the
next 15 minutes.
You may now resume your memorization of the
Rubiyat!
Go Cats!
So let me guess -- you minored in arrogance?
Did you learn snarkiness in grade school or was it an acquired taste?
b70
At 5-feet, 10-inches, I can tell you one thing.
I never got called for over-the-top during games!
Actually, I never got called for ANYTHING during the
games...I was the ultimate Pine Boy, with good reason.
My dislike of the Ivies is lifelong, based on anecdotal
and personal experience. I just think there are plenty
of other places where you can get every bit the
education one claims to inside the ivory tower.
Georgetown would be one. Hell, you can get Ivy-quality
COURSES at a whole lot of schools, V.U. included.
Good chatting with you guys. I know this thread is as
long as the Appalachian trail.
b70
I never got called for over-the-top during games!
Actually, I never got called for ANYTHING during the
games...I was the ultimate Pine Boy, with good reason.
My dislike of the Ivies is lifelong, based on anecdotal
and personal experience. I just think there are plenty
of other places where you can get every bit the
education one claims to inside the ivory tower.
Georgetown would be one. Hell, you can get Ivy-quality
COURSES at a whole lot of schools, V.U. included.
Good chatting with you guys. I know this thread is as
long as the Appalachian trail.
b70
I think you're making no sense, don't know if you're being serious or just trolling but you said "Businessweek changed their methodology this year, focusing more on the student experience and the impact our graduates have in the business world." This survey was from Bloomberg. I don't doubt Nova is a good b-school, the accounting and finance grads have a pipeline to the big 4 firms and wall street, and have had great connections for years. Personally I don't give a $hit where people went to school, but I do think it's weird when a school comes out of nowhere to be ranked #1, the same school who had a law school that rigged the rankings. Whatever dude, enjoy being #1, you're still Vanillanova to me and I'll keep my stereotypes and you can keep yours.
NickleDimer
Post 'Til Your Fingers Bleed
Liberal artists would just pour their alma mater's under-ranking into the turmoil of their interpretive pottery.
Thanks. I enjoy it. When I was in high school
back in the pleistocene era, with my fellow knuckle-
draggers, I was in a private school my senior year
and got some schools thrown at me I had not one
intention of considering.
Schools I nonetheless respect, by the way.
Colby, Colgate, Middlebury. Man, they couldn't send
those thin envelopes to Box 528 fast enough.
We were living in New Jersey. Had we stayed in
Pittsburgh, I would likely have attended Mount Lebanon
High School and probably would NOT have applied to
'Nova, which had a far narrower geographic applicants
pool back then.
I probably would have had Ohio State, Pitt, Penn State
and Notre Dame as my choices and would have
DEFINITELY wound up a Buckeye.
But I grew to really enjoy Villanova when I ran into
students from there, both in Pittsburgh (at that time,
a few, today many) and in N.J.
I like large schools, I-A football, etc., and I think it's an
integral part of the college experience for a lot of kids.
I don't base this on any particular meritocracy, because
there are tons of schools who simply look elsewhere for
their Saturday afternoon/night entertainment.
But that was my culture. I have some fun debates with
folks on our site re: I-A ball and one thing I fear is that
within 5 years, the D1 hoops schools are going to hit
a major league crossroad, which I think will require
most of them to formulate a gameplan to upgrade their
athletic depts, including possibly I-A football as a must.
I hope I'm wrong. Villanova would be better prepared
than most to deal with this, but it will be a torturous
choice for a lot of us.
I hope it doesn't come to that. I hope Georgetown,
Seton Hall, Saint John's get homey on-campus arenas
that help perpetuate their great men's hoops
traditions. And most of all, as said above, I most
assuredly hope I'm wrong.
The big time atmosphere is exhilarating and it's what
separates schools like yours and mine from the
humdrum of NYUdom. I cannot imagine a world without
some sort of SERIOUS intercollegiate competition with
intense crowds and great opportunities to proclaim
one's affiliation to his/her alma mater.
Anyhow, it has been a fun run here, and even guys
who sharply disagree with me have something to say
that I respect.
Good luck and I hope you get out of that current
fiscal mess soon and get your endowment rolling up
where all of you feel it belongs.
ciao
b70
Fantastic pull. Once i got to the "you're talking to someone in the admissions process..." (which he definitely wasn't), i knew there was meat behind this.
NAILED IT! Fantastic stuff, man I miss Buckeye (although not when he would call my house)
You have to be using source material for those no? If not, truly impressive channeling.
Other than TGO's inane flame, and a couple of trash-
talk downies, I applaud your general approach. This
thread epitomizes, I think, our schools' relationships.
Our most common cross-applications are these,
not necessarily in order: Boston College, Notre Dame,
Georgetown, Holy Cross, Penn State, Lehigh,
Marquette, Pitt, UCLA, Rutgers, Cornell and, now,
Penn. Moving up: Cal-Berkeley, Northwestern,
Illinois, Carnegie Mellon, Bucknell, Colgate, Miami (OH).
Our "safety" school pool is: Seton Hall, Providence,
Fairfield, Rutgers, Maryland, St. Mary's (Calif.),
Dayton, Duquesne, Fordham, among others.
The "National" term used is not because of graduate
programs -- 'Nova has quite enough of those -- but
because of Ph.D's, a department in which we were
sorely lacking. We're changing that. We've got 3
active Ph. D. programs which are receiving very good
interest with several more in store, that should
change our status with the Carnegie Foundation.
But we are hardly a "regional" school, with 8% each
from the midwest and west, 6% from the south (NOT
including Virginia), 3% foreign and territorial. Fully
one quarter of our students come from outside the
13 contiguous northeastern states (W. Va./Va. to
Maine).
Finally, the pink elephant is as dead as Dan Rather's
career.
In the Class of 2008, fully 16%-plus are members of
the new minorities. 4% are African-American, 6%
Asian, 6% Hispanic and little over half a percent
American Indian/Aleut.
It ain't perfect, but it IS progress. Catholic schools, imo,
should shoot for roughly 20% in this area, give-or-take,
mainly because they're trying to retain an 80%
Catholic population (altho I know G'town breaks the
mold here and is under 60).
But that's today's Villanova. One final pt about the
Carnegie. One bud of mine who knows someone over
there had his pal run V.U.'s academic credentials thru
the C.F. computer pizooker kumquat machine and it
spit out that if V.U. were in the "National" category,
it would be in the low 70s nationally. Not all that
bad, I think you'd admit.
The average SAT for incoming freshmen this year was
1,300, the average ACT 28.5, maybe not exactly
Hoya numbers, but pretty nice, I think.
Finally, with the other 12 existing Big East schools,
Villanova ranks only behind Notre Dame, Georgetown
and Boston College in terms of percentage of student
body that is national in scope.
Sorry for the long, long sociology course. We do have
a somewhat different path in terms of applications,
partly because your non-Catholic numbers are way
higher than ours.
But Villanova and Notre Dame cross-reference a whole
lot, as we do with Boston College and Holy Cross in
particular.
What's all this have to do with our rivalry? I still think
the two schools are largely the same. Both have long
traditions -- yours from 1789, ours from 1842, and
our mission statements are probably pretty close to
identical.
I know you have a financial situation right now and
that concerns me as a major proponent for Catholic
education, because Georgetown is one of the nation's
most recognizable names.
Hang in there, enjoy this basketball season (altho
definitely NOT the second V.U.-G.U. result! ;D).
You're good folks and you deserve a chance to see
your team climb back up the Big East ladder. Hopefully
V.U. and Georgetown will be battling for the top for
many years to come.
b70
What is amazing about Jay, albeit
on a slightly lower key, is Jay is beginning
to have the same effect on ‘Nova as Doug
Flutie had at Boston College, i.e., at the
admissions office.
Our national exposure has in eight years
upped the percentage of kids who come to
Villanova from outside the east from 18 to
26, and this winter’s application pool is even
more geographically diverse.
Don’t want to put anybody to sleep over this,
honestly. But it is a helluva byproduct of how
valuable Jay is. He often speaks at alumni
get-togethers at all the BIG EAST venues and
really fires up the fanbase.
Anyhow, thanks for the kind words. This will be
a thorn-filled Garden march, I guarantee you. The
Marquette/St John’s winner will be playing with
emotion and probably put out one of its best
efforts of the season.
Should be a heckuva tournament. Big time to the
max. Still can’t figure how Sag rates the BIG EAST
behind both the Hayseed C and Big 10 this winter.
Keep up the good work.
b70
NickleDimer
Post 'Til Your Fingers Bleed
