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Ben Carson

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It fits perfectly into his republican narrative that the problem with inner city kids is they just don't care or work hard enough.[/QUOTE]

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btw - the nation is designed to be divided on purpose. Uniting the left and the right has not been possible or wanted in the last 75 years. Throw in modern media and it's safe to say that ship has not only sailed, it's now at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
 
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tjc will probably deny this, but I believe that he supported Bob Barr for President when he ran as a fringe candidate a few years ago.
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It fits perfectly into his republican narrative that the problem with inner city kids is they just don't care or work hard enough.

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Wrong as usual ND. However, I do agree with prominent sociologists who have the position that the lack of a father in 72% of black families is the major contributing problem young black kids face. But, why would you want to actually discuss an issue on a serious basis rather than you make up stuff just to stir the pot? That's so productive on your part.
 
Not sure this is the case, or even if it shouldn't be the case. I dont know much about Carson to be honest - but we are talking about the presidency of the Unites States here - all correspondence and reporting about the man is fair game. It's great that he has a feel good story, but it's also fair to note some of the things he's already said that have not sounded particularly smart. (evolution, being gay etc). It's the presidency - tearing down the people who wish the hold that position is part of the process. It's essential. It's not sad. It's healthy.
5.0, you appear to be an intelligent guy and I agree that scrutiny is important in evaluating any candidate so you can make an informed decision when you vote. As usual, the media likes to take quotes out of context to paint a candidate the way they want. Here's what Carson actually said. 1) Evolution. He said that evolution is a proven theory. But, he went on to say that when you go back to the point where the universe developed from
" nothingness," even science says there has to be a cause. Carson said he believes God is responsible for that but also said that is his personal belief and everyone is free to draw their own conclusion. 2) Homosexuality. His comments were made in the context of homosexuality in our prison system. That's an undeniable fact. He went on to say that he believes it is perfectly natural and when no opportunity for heterosexual sex is available the primal urge for sex which is part of our humanity will turn to homosexual sex in order to be satisfied - Basic animal instinct.
 
Here's what Carson actually said......

"I don't believe in evolution...I simply don't have enough faith to believe that something as complex as our ability to rationalize, think, and plan, and have a moral sense of what's right and wrong, just appeared."
 
He actually does not believe in the scientific definition of evolution. At all.

“(Humans) think that they are so smart that if they can’t explain how God did something, then it didn’t happen, which of course means that they’re God. You don’t need a God if you consider yourself capable of explaining everything.”

“According to their scheme, it (the eye) had to occur overnight, it had to be there. I instead say, if you have an intelligent creator, what he does is give his creatures the ability to adapt to the environment so he doesn’t have to start over every 50 years creating all over again.”

Take the simple case of ape to human. It should be easy to find abundant fossil remains since, according to evolutionary theory, this is the most recent transition. If we can find so many fossils of dinosaurs, which are further back in the evolutionary scheme, we should have plenty of evidence of intermediates between apes and humans. But we don’t have them. We have very few supposed intermediates–like “Lucy,” based on fanciful reconstruction with a lot of filling in. Today we have people with significant congenital abnormalities whose skeletal remains would seem like a missing link. So “Lucy” does not make the case, and there should be multiple “Lucys” if the transition from ape to human were true.

"And why did evolution divert in so many directions–birds, fish, elephants, apes, humans–if there is some force evolving to the maximum? Why isn’t everything a human–a superior human?"


He's openly a creationist. That's a fact.

And then there's this quote about healthcare - no wonder why adp thinks he's a nut case. It makes Obama look like the Koch brothers.

"What do you need for good health? You need a patient and a health care provider. Along came a middle man to facilitate the relationship. Now, the middle has become the principal entity with the patient and the health care provider at its beck and call. The entire thing is completely out of control. The entire concept of for profits for the insurance companies makes absolutely no sense. "I deny that you need care and I will make more money". This is totally ridiculous. The first thing we need to do is get rid of for profit insurance companies. We have a lack of policies and we need to make the government responsible for catastrophic health care. We have to make the insurance companies responsible only for routine health care. The fact that a fraction of the American population has no health care insurance creates a situation in which some end up in emergency rooms, which results in even greater expenses for the US. If insurance companies are responsible only for routine health care, you are able to predict how much money they are going to need, which facilitates regulations. For instance, if we didn't regulate utilities nobody could afford electricity or water. You can't depend on the goodness of people's hearts, particularly when you’re dealing with something which is essential."
 
honest questions for the newsgroup:
1) Are surgeons just glorified mechanics?
2) Would you trust a doctor that delineates between routine healthcare and catastrophic health care? As if they are unrelated?
3) If you were a political group of semi-closeted racists, what would be the best way to introduce fake diversity candidates?
4) Anyone that publicly cites God as a reason for public policy decisions or scientific reasoning, as opposed to a personal comfort device, should not be allowed to hold office, right?
 
honest questions for the newsgroup:
1) Are surgeons just glorified mechanics?
2) Would you trust a doctor that delineates between routine healthcare and catastrophic health care? As if they are unrelated?
3) If you were a political group of semi-closeted racists, what would be the best way to introduce fake diversity candidates?
4) Anyone that publicly cites God as a reason for public policy decisions or scientific reasoning, as opposed to a personal comfort device, should not be allowed to hold office, right?


5) What are your thoughts on the intelligence and mental stability of an individual who once started a thread called "This Country Needs Sarah!!!" ?
 
honest questions for the newsgroup:
1) Are surgeons just glorified mechanics?
2) Would you trust a doctor that delineates between routine healthcare and catastrophic health care? As if they are unrelated?
3) If you were a political group of semi-closeted racists, what would be the best way to introduce fake diversity candidates?
4) Anyone that publicly cites God as a reason for public policy decisions or scientific reasoning, as opposed to a personal comfort device, should not be allowed to hold office, right?
Honest answers from a member of the newsgroup:
1) Surgeons=glorified mechanics? Surely, you can't be serious!
2) Routine healthcare/catastrophic health care. That's the way the system works with primary care physicians and specialists. In my case, it was my family doctor who found both my heart condition and cancer. He referred me to specialists to get care for both. I would not be alive today if my family doctor hadn't done a great job managing my routine health care. I think that part of the system works just fine.
3) I really doubt a group of semi-closeted racists would spend any time trying to come up with fake diversity candidates. That would be like a mosque hosting a pig roast barbecue. They are diametrically opposed concepts.
4) I'm assuming you believe in God and go to church, ND. You kind of tipped your hand when you quoted the "consubstantial" change to the Lord's Prayer a couple of years ago. Why should a belief in a divine deity exclude anyone from holding public office? Have we as a society really reached a point where God is perceived as a danger to government and society? It's sure a sad state of affairs if that's the case!
 
I am all for my president believing in God, Jesus, Muhammed, David, Moses, whoever. Doesnt bother me. Whatever keeps him semi honest and mindful of human life. I just do not want that belief influencing his decisions on matters than really have nothing to do with religion. Pols tend to cherry pick their religious applications anyway.
 
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Honest answers from a member of the newsgroup:
1) Surgeons=glorified mechanics? Surely, you can't be serious!
2) Routine healthcare/catastrophic health care. That's the way the system works with primary care physicians and specialists. In my case, it was my family doctor who found both my heart condition and cancer. He referred me to specialists to get care for both. I would not be alive today if my family doctor hadn't done a great job managing my routine health care. I think that part of the system works just fine.
3) I really doubt a group of semi-closeted racists would spend any time trying to come up with fake diversity candidates. That would be like a mosque hosting a pig roast barbecue. They are diametrically opposed concepts.
4) I'm assuming you believe in God and go to church, ND. You kind of tipped your hand when you quoted the "consubstantial" change to the Lord's Prayer a couple of years ago. Why should a belief in a divine deity exclude anyone from holding public office? Have we as a society really reached a point where God is perceived as a danger to government and society? It's sure a sad state of affairs if that's the case!

1) yeah. why not? Similar thing, except the human body doesn't change every year. Your average surgeon isn't inventing new fields of science.
2) what does your response have to do with the question? "Catastrophic" health care isn't about specialization. It's an economic term.
3) Sure they would. It covers their bases. It's like how the NFL forces team to fake interview minority candidates.
4) I didn't say belief should exclude from public office. But rather the idea that your specific variety of belief should be the guiding principle of the universe and/or government.
 
btw - the nation is designed to be divided on purpose. Uniting the left and the right has not been possible or wanted in the last 75 years. Throw in modern media and it's safe to say that ship has not only sailed, it's now at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
Show me a country that doesn't operate that way and I'll show you a dictatorship.
 
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Show me a country that doesn't operate that way and I'll show you a dictatorship.
I think I just prefer to have a more optimistic outlook, 5.0 I believe it's never too late to change. If it were, we'd still be flying the Union Jack and singing Hail to the Queen. I think it's human nature to aspire to greater/better things and a better way of life. Give all you can and take back only what you need! Materialism and class envy is the cancer that's eating away at our very way of life. The well has been poisoned but for the sake of our children and grandchildren we have an obligation to overcome these problems and right the ship. Admitting defeat and not even making an attempt to change things is cowardice and the worst form of self indulgence.
 
Aside from being a talking point that is pounded into you via 60 hours a week of fox news, how exactly is materialism and class envy ruining this country?

I don't think Ben Carson is running for president under a party banner that reads "Give all you can and take back only what you need!"
 
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I'm done with politics in general. When I vote, I'm hiring the boss of this country, the CEO of the USA. There's some real s#it that has to be dealt with and no soft-spoken, polite, community organizing, kid with a good story is getting my vote.

That's primarily why I got behind Romney. I have a sense that Romney in a closed-door board room is not something you want to end up on the wrong side of.

Not saying he was a perfect candidate, or a great candidate, but he was the only guy I would hire last time around.
 
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Corporations, the military, and professional sports are just about the only organizations in America that don't consistently incentivize mediocrity. If you can be an effective leader in any of those three, you know how to hold people accountable.
 
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Corporations, the military, and professional sports are just about the only organizations in America that don't consistently incentivize mediocrity. If you can be an effective leader in any of those three, you know how to hold people accountable.

oh boy. What should government hold people accountable for? They don't seem to hold their corporations or military accountable for anything.
 
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To start, their own employees. The Secret Service, VA, IRS.

Last I checked, the military doesn't set their own budget. If they ask for a billion dollars, don't be mad when they're given a billion and a half. Also, what the hell do corporations have to do with the government?

Has the US military ever lost a battle or a war that they were allowed to fight to win? The answer is no.
 
I'm done with politics in general. When I vote, I'm hiring the boss of this country, the CEO of the USA. There's some real s#it that has to be dealt with and no soft-spoken, polite, community organizing, kid with a good story is getting my vote.

That's primarily why I got behind Romney. I have a sense that Romney in a closed-door board room is not something you want to end up on the wrong side of.

Not saying he was a perfect candidate, or a great candidate, but he was the only guy I would hire last time around.
I agree Sal. That's why I voted for Romney after the community organizer's miserable first term. I think the results of yesterday's UK elections may be a pre-cursor of a new conservative tide that will reach our shores in the 2016 election. I like Carson at this point because I agree with most of his statements/ideas. In reality, if Scott Walker enters the race, I think I will support him. But, for all the candidates, it's way too early to get totally behind one. The length of this campaign is absolutely ridiculous and the billions that will be spent on it is the biggest turnoff of the entire affair! It really sucks that you have to be "owned" by donors in order to get elected!
 
BACK TO BACK WORLD WAR CHAMPS!!
The military is accountable. Accountable for spending every last dollar that they get and more.

This thread has been great.

I love that tjc uses the GoP buzzphrase "community organizer" (was used in an attempt to portray that Obama as unqualified) WHILE suggesting that a surgeon is qualified to be president.
 
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Correct. The United States military has never lost a single battle.

Undefeated Muth@****@as!!!
The last time the United States definitively lost a battle was Hürtgen Forest in 1944, and that was only because Walter Model was perhaps the greatest defensive general in history and The Army didn't devote nearly enough manpower to the fight.
 
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The last time the United States definitively lost a battle was Hürtgen Forest in 1944, and that was only because Walter Model was perhaps the greatest defensive general in history and The Army didn't devote nearly enough manpower to the fight.
TFE, I think you forgot about Vietnam. I still remember the rooftop helicopters @ the U.S. embassy.
 
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They didn't lose a single battle in Vietnam, and Vietnam was micromanaged from the Pentagon. The contrast between Operations Rolling Thunder and Linebacker/Linebacker 2 demonstrated the fecklessness of LBJ in prosecuting that war at its beginning. If we had gone after Hanoi early in the war, we could have at least prevented Communism from taking over the Republic of Vietnam.

The United States has never lost a war that they saw through to its finish. I fear that we may never win another because 24 hour news is obsessed with death counts. Newsflash: People die and get maimed in wars.
 
God, can you imagine if communism had taken over Viet Nam??? What a threat to America that would have been...
 
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If Communism hadn't taken over South Vietnam, hundreds of thousands of people wouldn't have died in vain while fighting for freedom.
 
They didn't lose a single battle in Vietnam, and Vietnam was micromanaged from the Pentagon. The contrast between Operations Rolling Thunder and Linebacker/Linebacker 2 demonstrated the fecklessness of LBJ in prosecuting that war at its beginning. If we had gone after Hanoi early in the war, we could have at least prevented Communism from taking over the Republic of Vietnam.

The United States has never lost a war that they saw through to its finish. I fear that we may never win another because 24 hour news is obsessed with death counts. Newsflash: People die and get maimed in wars.
Well, now that you've changed what you originally said, we are still left with losing the Vietnam war. I do agree that LBJ micro managing it was the main problem.
 
Love TJC spouting the typical nonsense that with good values and hard work you can get out the ghetto! Just like this guy!

It fits perfectly into his republican narrative that the problem with inner city kids is they just don't care or work hard enough.
Well, TTMMJJ, it seems like this linked article which is close to home backs up my belief in working hard to make your way in life. I'm sorry you are so negative about espousing hope.

http://hardwoodherald.com/2015/05/08/survival-of-the-fittest/
 
The last time the United States definitively lost a battle was Hürtgen Forest in 1944, and that was only because Walter Model was perhaps the greatest defensive general in history and The Army didn't devote nearly enough manpower to the fight.

Threads like this make this little Cliff Clavin shit get hard as a rock. Chance to put that 20th century conflict encylopedia to use.
 
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They didn't lose a single battle in Vietnam, and Vietnam was micromanaged from the Pentagon. The contrast between Operations Rolling Thunder and Linebacker/Linebacker 2 demonstrated the fecklessness of LBJ in prosecuting that war at its beginning. If we had gone after Hanoi early in the war, we could have at least prevented Communism from taking over the Republic of Vietnam.

The United States has never lost a war that they saw through to its finish. I fear that we may never win another because 24 hour news is obsessed with death counts. Newsflash: People die and get maimed in wars.

Only 19k Americans died in Bulge, but 85K plus casualties including the wounded, dead and captured.
 
Foye is delusional and as misinformed as ever. The "jerking" post is commensurate with the type of response I'd expect from him - the twitter guy.
 
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