Buddy Ryan Remembered
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NickleDimer
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Flags are at half staff in Delco. Grown men are wandering the streets in their kelly green starter jackets, sobbing.
0 playoff wins and the people in Philly treat him like he is Vince Lombardi or Bill Walsh because he was blue collar. get real. Philly sucks.
It really is amazing how that works. Prince was known to be the biggest prick on the planet but as soon as he OD's on drugs, people make him out to be Mother Theresa.
Ali stood down, refused to pick up a weapon when his country called on him, and he's glorified. Yet Trump and Dick Cheney got about a dozen deferments between them and they're criticized as cowards.
NickleDimer
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Shoop is doing some major league level trolling lately. It's a shame he doesn't have a more gullible audience to test it out on.
I'm not trolling. Just pointing out how nothing makes sense. We call John McCain a war hero for fighting...we call Ali a "transcendent figure" for not fighting....we elect people like Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Dick Cheney to the highest office in the land despite the fact they arranged deferments for
themselves so they wouldn't have to go to war....
themselves so they wouldn't have to go to war....
NickleDimer
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Not on this place. Too many douchebags that are a great at life here. Yawn.
was Ali wrong? his stance was about Civil Rights in America not fighting in Vietnam. why would any black person fight for America in the 1960s when they were treated as non citizens or worse? Especially those from the South.
Again, Shoop is comparing Muhammad Ali to ultra-famous people who were in completely different situations and times in American wars.
Regarding McCain - he came from a Navy family (his grandfather and father were both 4-star Admirals and his father was Commander in Chief of U.S. Naval Forces, Europe, at the start of the Vietnam war), and attended the U.S. Naval Acadamy (g.1958 - Ensign commission).
McCain was a Naval officer well before the Vietnam war even started. He eventually became a pilot, was shot down, imprisoned for years, and we all know his heroic story of not using his father's influence to gain freedom (by 1967 his father was Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet).
McCain was destined to be a part of the Vietnam war the day he was born!
Ali was a poor black kid from Kentucky who became a rich and famous boxer - and then was told that he had to fight in a losing war - after LBJ lifted or changed almost every draft deferrment (marriage, education) - all the way in Southeast Asia where thousands of conscripted U.S. soldiers were dying every week because the war was completly mis-managed at the highest levels of the U.S. government.
Oh but no, Ali was an American, he should have volunteered for the Army, right?
Regarding McCain - he came from a Navy family (his grandfather and father were both 4-star Admirals and his father was Commander in Chief of U.S. Naval Forces, Europe, at the start of the Vietnam war), and attended the U.S. Naval Acadamy (g.1958 - Ensign commission).
McCain was a Naval officer well before the Vietnam war even started. He eventually became a pilot, was shot down, imprisoned for years, and we all know his heroic story of not using his father's influence to gain freedom (by 1967 his father was Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet).
McCain was destined to be a part of the Vietnam war the day he was born!
Ali was a poor black kid from Kentucky who became a rich and famous boxer - and then was told that he had to fight in a losing war - after LBJ lifted or changed almost every draft deferrment (marriage, education) - all the way in Southeast Asia where thousands of conscripted U.S. soldiers were dying every week because the war was completly mis-managed at the highest levels of the U.S. government.
Oh but no, Ali was an American, he should have volunteered for the Army, right?
What did Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio say when they were forced to give up 3 years in the prime of their careers to go to Korea?
Dude, didn't you know? Black people had it easy in the South in the 50's & 60's. All that stuff about lynchings, beatings, etc was totally overblown.
Yes - and it's virtually free of red necks and guys driving their pick ups with gun racks and wearing overalls with no shirts. Always has been.
That happens about 20 miles west of you in New Jersey.
Teddy Ballgame and the Clipper both served in WWII (Williams in Korea as well). U.S. soil was attacked without provocation and and half of our Navy ships were wiped out by an imperialist nation; pretty much all American men wanted to serve during that war. About DiMaggio:
DiMaggio's service was as comfortable as a soldier's life could be. He spent most of his career playing for baseball teams and in exhibition games against fellow Major Leaguers and minor league players, and superiors gave him special privileges due to his prewar fame. DiMaggio ate so well from an athlete-only diet that he gained 10 pounds, and while in Hawaii he and other players mostly tanned on the beach and drank. Embarrassed by his lifestyle, DiMaggio demanded combat duty in 1943, but was turned down.
Wiliams:
Williams was somewhat resentful of being called up, which he admitted years later, particularly regarding the Navy's policy of calling up Inactive Reservists rather than members of the Active Reserve.
Williams' biographer, Leigh Montville, argued that Williams was not happy about being pressed into service in South Korea, but he did what he thought was his patriotic duty.
You simply can't compare those wars to the Vietnam era when the war was wildly unpopular.
You obviously have not been to the highlands lately. Redneck heaven, trucks with gun racks. Might as well be another country. Same thing for South Jersey. I'll be driving through Thursday night and it will remind me of WV (who also fought on the right side of the war). Gun racks and rednecks are everywhere. PA, NJ, KY, NY, VT etc...
True. Blacks lived like kings in border states and in the north for as long as I can remember.
NickleDimer
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Yea, probably not. Those were wildcard teams. Nats most wins in baseball and most wins in NL in two of those years. Twice missed playoffs, tho predicted by most to be there. In terms of a four-year stretch based on talent and projections, one of the most disappointing performances in recent memory. In all of sports. Fact.
Disagree. The teams to whom the Eagles lost didn't even make the Superbowl.
he called the owner of the team "the guy in france" and he faked taking a knee against the cowboys. the d line crumpled pockets like few others. i prefer him to reid. why was losing in the nfc title game every year better than losing the first playoff game? it's about winning the whole thing in that stupid league, and you don't have to be water-tight to do it