Call bullshit on his retirement. This psycho dickhead will pull a Favre and look to join the Cavs or some other team to win another championship.
Kobe as a laker remembered
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lebron could play at age 55 and be better than kobe is right now
he and maravich are probably the two most overrated players of all time
he and maravich are probably the two most overrated players of all time
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Kobe averaged over 25 ppg for his career and is 3rd all-time in points scored with over 30K. Others who have done that:
1. Wilt Chamberlain
2. Michael Jordan
Plus 5 rings.
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If Kobe didn't get to play with Shaq for so long early in his career, we would've been spared a lot of this media coverage and pathetic effort at a farewell tour, for one of the most hated superstars in memory. He got to play 1-on-1 and operate with tons of space for years when he would've been getting beaten down by double and triple teams, due to the presence of one of the all-time unstoppable forces down low. Kobe was an afterthought in opponents' prep those years.
Still don't understand how the Lakers were allowed to make that Gasol trade that got him that title, what a joke the NBA can be. He did enough on his own to be a superstar and a Hall of Famer, but when you control for Shaq, can't see him as one of the all-time greats.
What would Carmelo Anthony's career have looked like if he was a rookie when Kobe was and played the first half of his career on those Shaq Laker teams? My guess is pretty similar.
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The last two titles came with Gasol/Odom/Artest/Bynum/Fisher. Not a bad supporting cast. No tanking was needed to assemble that team.
He would have been playing with Chris Paul the last few years if the NBA didn't block that trade.
He would have been playing with Chris Paul the last few years if the NBA didn't block that trade.
Agree -- balanced teams with Kobe as designated volume shooter, and talent and size in other places. Sort of like a rich man's version (at every position) of the Sixers team that went to the finals in 2000.
The UncleBill69 handle and avatar are both disturbing and hilarious. Creepy to think of the alt "artist" shopping for just the right Conlin picture..
Kobe was the biggest beneficiary of the post-Jordan era. Stern saw a guy in Jordan who could captivate audiences with star power and once MJ was out of the league, he had to turn to somewhere. Kobe was Sten's post-Jordan star power guy. Put him to the line 20 times a game if you had to. He thrived in that dark era in pro-hoops where the WWF referees interfered less than with the Lakers in a playoff series. That carried over to Wade during that sham of a finals. The NBA was truly a bad product for a period of time there.
I actually don't mind Kobe as much as I may be coming off above. I'm just happy that era of hoops is over and the NBA is a much more watchable product now than it was during Kobe's prime.
I actually don't mind Kobe as much as I may be coming off above. I'm just happy that era of hoops is over and the NBA is a much more watchable product now than it was during Kobe's prime.
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oh look, the guy who said shaq was a bad player is trying to correct me. 10 of 23 daily news writers polled picked kobe over lebron. lebron was a better player by the end of his second season than kobe was in his prime. it isn't even close.
gasol averaged 20/10 & 2 blocks last season, five years after kobe was ignoring him at the elbow and making condescending faces at him. odom was a great all-around player who became an elite defensive rebounder with the lakers--between the kardashians/lost weekend in vegas and kobe's eye-rolling, he'll never get the credit he deserves
kobe never embraced philly and should be booed roundly tonight. he won't be, though
gasol averaged 20/10 & 2 blocks last season, five years after kobe was ignoring him at the elbow and making condescending faces at him. odom was a great all-around player who became an elite defensive rebounder with the lakers--between the kardashians/lost weekend in vegas and kobe's eye-rolling, he'll never get the credit he deserves
kobe never embraced philly and should be booed roundly tonight. he won't be, though
Burrs over here. Why should have Kobe "embraced" Philly? He grew up in Italy from age 6-13 - almost the entirety of Barkley's career for the Sixers. When Kobe graduated HS in 1996, the Sixers were one of the worst teams in the conference (18-64), and had been for a solid 5 years. They had the #1 draft pick. And they took Iverson. Kobe never had a chance to play there - as a high-school superstar he was drafted at #13 and immediately traded to L.A.
Gasol's points and rebounds averages as a Laker:
2008 - 18.8 / 7.8
2009 - 18.9 / 9.6
2010 - 18.3 / 11.3
2011 - 18.8 / 10.2
2012 - 17.4 / 10.4
2013 - 13.7 / 8.6
2014 - 17.4 / 9.7
Gasol was a better scorer early in his career (Memphis) and a better rebounder later. And at Chicago with Noah offering zero offense he averaged 18. 5ppg, not 20. Their offense still goes through Butler and Rose, when healthy. Gasol is a career 18 ppg scorer - what, do you think he should have been scoring 25 a game playing with Kobe? F*ck out of here.
And Odom? "Elite" defensive rebounder? The guy cracked 10 rpg twice in his career. His legacy is as Jim Harrick's disgraced ringer at URI.
I don't understand what you're trying to argue. Kobe never mistreated Gasol. That is your delusional, idiotic assertion.
Gasol doesn't win championships without playing with Kobe. Kobe says in the foward to Caron Butler's "Tuff Juice" that "...over the course of his 20-year career with the Los Angeles Lakers, there have been just four teammates that he considers friends. Butler was one of them, as were Derek Fisher, Ronny Turiaf and, most notably, Pau Gasol."
When Gasol was a free agent in 2014, Bryant lobbied heavily for him to stay, even after Gasol’s disappointing performance in two seasons under Mike D’Antoni. Gasol ultimately signed a three-year deal in Chicago, but his respect for Bryant is undiminished.
“He's got that alpha personality,” Gasol said. “You've just got to understand where he's coming from and work with him the best you can. If you try to bump heads with him, it's not going to work out well. So I understood that, and my personality fit in perfectly with his and the team at the time.
"I never searched for my own spotlight, I was never trying to step on anybody's toes. I was just doing whatever it took to win championships and help the team, and we did that. We developed great chemistry, a great relationship and great respect for each other.”
Gasol doesn't win championships without playing with Kobe. Kobe says in the foward to Caron Butler's "Tuff Juice" that "...over the course of his 20-year career with the Los Angeles Lakers, there have been just four teammates that he considers friends. Butler was one of them, as were Derek Fisher, Ronny Turiaf and, most notably, Pau Gasol."
When Gasol was a free agent in 2014, Bryant lobbied heavily for him to stay, even after Gasol’s disappointing performance in two seasons under Mike D’Antoni. Gasol ultimately signed a three-year deal in Chicago, but his respect for Bryant is undiminished.
“He's got that alpha personality,” Gasol said. “You've just got to understand where he's coming from and work with him the best you can. If you try to bump heads with him, it's not going to work out well. So I understood that, and my personality fit in perfectly with his and the team at the time.
"I never searched for my own spotlight, I was never trying to step on anybody's toes. I was just doing whatever it took to win championships and help the team, and we did that. We developed great chemistry, a great relationship and great respect for each other.”
Great job by Sixers beating the ONE team they want to lose to. Lakers are headed for an abomination of a season. Maybe even a worse record than the Sixers. They Sixers actually attempt to win games. They're just not constructed to do so. The Lakers dont even attempt to compete. A bunch of MUTTS on that roster. They need to fire Byron Scott immediately or they're a lock to finish 2nd worst record at best. But that's probably why they'll keep him around.
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what the f--k do you expect gasol to say publicly? the f--king lunatic shot 17 threes last night, and by now it's an established fact that nobody wanted to play with him the last few years, even though nitwit dickriders like you and stephen a remain in denial. gasol shot 57% and 54% on the two title teams. kobe shot around 45%, and took over 20 shots a game. he was an insanely selfish offensive player, and not nearly as sudden or efficient as jordan
odom was the 10th best defensive rebounder in the league in 2010 among players who logged 1000 minutes. not quite as good as i remembered, but one spot behind tim duncan, and none of the players ahead of him had anything near his all-around game. jim f--king harrick is a nobody compared to odom in the game of basketball. f--k you, ball
odom was the 10th best defensive rebounder in the league in 2010 among players who logged 1000 minutes. not quite as good as i remembered, but one spot behind tim duncan, and none of the players ahead of him had anything near his all-around game. jim f--king harrick is a nobody compared to odom in the game of basketball. f--k you, ball
I respect and admire kobe but he has always rubbed me the wrong way. I can't think of many basketball players who do.
Gasol is doing awesome in Chicago. Kobe's mentality was his greatest gift and now it's his greatest weakness. He is fascinating just as a human being and I will miss being annoyed by him. He was the face of the league during it's worst years - but can't deny arguing with his fanbase is fun. I wonder what who they will latch on to or if they'll just stop watching
Gasol is doing awesome in Chicago. Kobe's mentality was his greatest gift and now it's his greatest weakness. He is fascinating just as a human being and I will miss being annoyed by him. He was the face of the league during it's worst years - but can't deny arguing with his fanbase is fun. I wonder what who they will latch on to or if they'll just stop watching
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There's nothing interesting about Kobe. He's just a crazy narcissist.
I don't get why people forget he was first team all-defense for a decade and try really hard to pretend like he was another Gilbert Arenas.
I don't get why people forget he was first team all-defense for a decade and try really hard to pretend like he was another Gilbert Arenas.
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This is an INET newsgroup. Everything I post is just my opinion. You don't have to note that it's possible to have other opinions. That's not a revelation.
Saw the Sportscenter highlight package and Kobe lovefest after our game. Listening to Kobe talk, you can definitely tell he has some issues, that seem to be worse than when he was still a good player. My guess is after he retires he will eventually go bat$hit crazy.
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McNabb and Kobe always seemed to respond with irritating comments in every situation. McNabb's came in the form of bumbling coach speak cliches and passive aggressiveness. Kobe's comes in the form of weird regurgitated MJ hyper-competitor cliches and bashing teammates through the press.
