Matt Harvey
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Strasburg last year almost the same place Harvey is in right now - hard thrower with excellent secondary stuff, second year off surgery and struggling with command.
Look at his April and May of 2015.
And no clue why the goal posts are posted. What have i moved?
Look at his April and May of 2015.
And no clue why the goal posts are posted. What have i moved?
None of those players are in the same situation as Harvey. I need detailed examples of elite pitchers who are still in the prime of their career that went to shit as quickly as Harvey did. Maybe he's injured, maybe he'll turn it around, but right now he is terrible and not even close to looking good. And coming back from TJ is not an excuse, Harvey pitched well last season all the way through his last start in the WS.
Interesting except here from an article that says to stop worrying about Harvey:
If you search long enough you can find examples of 27-year-old superstars collapsing for no apparent reason, but not many. Great baseball players typically continue being great baseball players until they’re way older than Harvey is, and Harvey — no matter what anyone tells you — has been an astonishingly great baseball player for the bulk of his Major League career.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/matt-harvey-new-york-mets-struggles-media-what-to-do-bad-mlb
I really don't care what happens to Harvey, but I do enjoy seeing diva's fail. He can go out and gallivant around town when he is pitching well but he can't face the media (not just a 1 time thing, it has happened multiple times) after getting shelled? That just leaves your teammates and coaches to answer for you. He just doesn't seem like a good teammate.
If you search long enough you can find examples of 27-year-old superstars collapsing for no apparent reason, but not many. Great baseball players typically continue being great baseball players until they’re way older than Harvey is, and Harvey — no matter what anyone tells you — has been an astonishingly great baseball player for the bulk of his Major League career.
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2016/05/matt-harvey-new-york-mets-struggles-media-what-to-do-bad-mlb
I really don't care what happens to Harvey, but I do enjoy seeing diva's fail. He can go out and gallivant around town when he is pitching well but he can't face the media (not just a 1 time thing, it has happened multiple times) after getting shelled? That just leaves your teammates and coaches to answer for you. He just doesn't seem like a good teammate.
Also dmil - without knowing anything about you and your baseball watching habits, I can guarantee I watch more baseball than you.
So you know nothing about what I do, but you'll guarantee it. Good move.
Anyway, if that is true, perhaps rack the ole noodle and understand what you're looking at in the big picture.
Now look who's moving goalposts .....
The irony is if this were a CoP pitcher, arak would be defending him to the death and Dmil would be trolling and saying he's done.
Nola is calm and talented. Greg Maddox had middle-of-the-rotation stuff, but was a top of the rotation performer. Not every pitcher needs to throw 95-96 to be top of the rotation caliber. Some guys who know how to pitch can be that, too.
With that said, I'm not writing Harvey off. Chances are good that he'll find himself eventually.
With that said, I'm not writing Harvey off. Chances are good that he'll find himself eventually.
Please tell me you did not put Gregg Maddox and Aaron Nola in the same sentence. Maddox did not have middle of the rotation stuff. He had unhittable stuff. For a decade. I like Nola, He should be in this league for a while here, but c'mon.
Not comparing him to Maddux. That would be silly. But at first glance I bet you no one thought Maddux was top of the rotation type guy either. That's my point. He wasn't a flame-thrower, hardly. But he was an intelligent, savvy, pin-point control pitcher, who had much of a clue as anyone. He wasn't nasty, tho.
Nola has similar characteristics. No, I'm not predicting that type of success at all. But he could still be a top of the rotation guy and make a few AS games along the way. The kid really knows how to pitch.
NickleDimer
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Vivitrol brought Strasberg out of his career tailspin. It has been clinically proven in clinical trials in the Gulag to treat: alcoholism, heroin addiction, sore elbow, delusions of grandeur, and Parovirus.
Seems like a solid locker room.
http://nypost.com/2016/05/25/david-wright-mets-dont-agree-with-matt-harveys-media-silence/
http://nypost.com/2016/05/25/david-wright-mets-dont-agree-with-matt-harveys-media-silence/
It's almost like you didn't toss it off to Cole Hamels for 7 years. Short memory.
NickleDimer
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Call me when you man up and pay for shit you use and don't weasel out of it. Twerp.
I'm pretty sure I am taller than you.
Anyways - I hope you realize I have just been trolling you here, surprised you fell for it honestly seeing as you are a master at it yourself.
My honest opinion on Harvey - his 2016 season is shit, no matter what he does his stats this year will not come back down to respectable numbers. I am no expert in pitching so I have no opinion on why he is struggling, but I did read an interesting piece which pegs it as his reluctance to throw the FB on the 2nd/3rd time through the lineup and has been opting more for his slider which is by far his weakest pitch and he has been getting hammered when he throws it. He is obviously a very talented player and I expect him to get back to form, but I wouldn't be shocked if he doesn't get back there either. Say what you want but he seems weak mentally and his actions over the past couple starts have shown that.
Edit - here is the link to the article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...matt-harvey-needs-to-make-to-save-his-season/
He's talented, I understand what you're saying. He's talented. Leave it at that.
NickleDimer
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Can't believe he fell for that line! You were bored so you thought you'd try it. I laughed when it worked!
Hey I don't fcking wanna kiss Nat King Cole over here at the end of the night.