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mea culpa

BettyHester

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i thought sam hinkie knew basketball as well or even better than me. i was wrong.

embiid clearly had greater upside than anyone drafted after him, and a framework of athletic/basketball ability to fit in any situation if in good health. neither of these things are true of okafor. even if embiid's foot physically falls off, noel was a better nba player by march than okafor will ever be. nitwits like ashtray-face feinstein and kornheiser who think okafor is better than embiid or noel were never once independently struck by the thought that towns was a better prospect in december or even february; they got in line when the critical mass of consensus shifted. if the cavaliers had noel they may have won the title; if they had okafor he'd have been sitting between marion and haywood.

okafor has huge hands and shot 51% from the line. did shaq ever develop a jumper? shaq couldn't defend ballscreens either. however at 19 shaq played two feet above the rim, not under it like okafor.

jay bilas in a rare moment of accuracy described towns as a "perfect prospect", a rim protector capable of playing positionless basketball. okafor is the opposite of that. doesn't rebound at a high level, or project to block shots at all. he doesn't move his feet or change ends very well at all. he didn't even score that well in the post against opponents with nba size. he's obsolete, redundant and overrated even in his areas of strength.

he wasn't one of the five best players in this draft. nobody who saw each player in high school thought russell was better than mudiay, a true point guard in the old school sense with the new school body and athleticism of an outside receiver in the nfl. porzingis wasn't playing in some y league in riga, he was in the spanish league, scoring 12 & 5 on 54% shooting in 22 minutes a game. he blocks shots, has already expanded his faceup game beyond being a standstill 3 point shooter, and jumps over the backboard. winslow defends, beats his man off the dribble, and thrives in the open floor.

complete unmitigated disaster.
 
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I cannot believe that Winslow dropped all the way to 10. It makes no sense.Would not have surprised or bothered me if NYK took him at 4. I think he's going to be a beast.

I'm going to go full on burrsie here - wait and see on Hinke. He's not afraid of a deal and he still has a player that a lot of GMs think is going to be good. I do not think he will stink in any event. Might not be all world but he wont stink.
 
Johnny, is that you?? There is not one F bomb in that entire post.
 
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update: he's even worse than i thought.

as expected he doesn't defend or really try until the ball is thrown to him, but to my surprise he has trouble getting position/scoring effectively against anonymous d-league level bigs. he's shooting airballs and getting his shot blocked. and how many damned spin moves has he made in two games?

seems like a lot of people are choosing to focus on the 12-foot kobe-lite fadeaways he rolls in occasionally and heaping praise on okafor's "polish". the point of throwing the ball in the post is largely to get something better than a contested jumpshot.

i didn't like myles turner all that much, but he can shoot off the catch instead of staring at his man on every touch and bringing the ball to a grinding halt, and he gets a lot of mileage out of, you know, competing out there.

bilas should have taken off the set in handcuffs for having this inert chump #1. hejonza looks like he's made entirely of fast-twitch muscle fiber, while okafor appears to have none.

also i saw jalen brunson in the u18 championships. wow. he is going to be a great player from the second he arrives
 
well it's easy to say trade down, but in this case there were teams looking to move up. boston doesn't have anything good enough to build a package around, but orlando had the 5th pick and supposedly coveted the zinger

would have taken either him or mudiay at 3. i just don't like okafor at all
 
So lemme get this straight. Okafor goes for 20 and 9 and 13 and 9 in 20-something mins in 2 games...on a roster with not 1 guy who can make a jump shot and space the floor for him...and he's "worse than" JG thought based off 2 practice games when he hadnt played 5-on-5 in 3 months.

Meanwhile Hezonja is a fast-twitch muscle stud based off beating some d-leaguers off the dribble in scrimmages.

I thought this guy knew some basketball. Yet now he's drawing parallels off practice games when guys haven't played full court games in months.

As for Okafor and his body and muscle fibers. Have you heard of an NBA weight room and conditioning program? The kid is 19 f*cking yrs old. Christ.
 
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Watching some clips I think what stood out his Okafor's lack of athletic ability and how that will hurt his one skill set, finishing in the block, once the real games start. The guy also can't guard a chair. He will not be a very good NBA player. He's athletically limited. He can't run, jump or shoot. Other than those three things he should be great.
 
There is zero spacing in the d league games. Problem is, the spacing won't be much better on this Sixers team. Kelly Olynyk is one of the best d league players of all time - but I definitely am concerned about Okafor for the simple fact that he isn't a great athlete.

I said multiple times on this board before the draft that Hezonja is my favorite player from this class other than Towns. He stood out from everyone else on the floor even in the ACB league. Attitude problems? Who gives a shit he's 6'8, shoots the lights out and is a 95th percentile athlete for any height.

Okafor will get better but I'm printing out my pre-draft Hezonja tweets and hanging them on the wall - I don't have much else goin for me
 
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As for Okafor and his body and muscle fibers. Have you heard of an NBA weight room and conditioning program? The kid is 19 f*cking yrs old. Christ.

Agreed with this post til the nba weight room part. Best he can hope for in terms of athletic improvement is Marc Gasol. Gasol's body change took about 5 years of NBA training, and even though he looks much more athletic he's not blowing anybody away. Marc also always had defensive tenacity and instincts. Jahlil can get there but it's a very steep climb and pretty unprecedented.

Something about chubby guys who love finesse that just doesn't work. Carmelo is the best flubby armed offensive player of this generation.

First Team All Flubby Finesse:
PG - Mateen Cleaves
SG- Carmelo
SF- Donyell Marshall
PF - Vin Baker
C - Al Jefferson

Would win you some games in their primes (except Cleaves) but these guys love the game on the court, not in the weight room. Hard for some guys to see the value of deadlifts when they can put it through the net ~50% of the time
 
I'm cautiously optimistic that Okafor can be a really good player in this league. With that said, his skill set/athleticism isn't one a typically get excited about. Still, premature to write a 19-year old off. Seems like a good kid and my gut is that he'll work hard. None of us know what kind of worker he is or will become. I would like to see more of a motor.
 
You guys keep talking about needing to be a "great athlete". Yeah sure that matters when you're 6'0 in the NBA. Or 6'4. Even 6'8. Doesn't matter so much when you're 6'11, 270.
 
When you are a big man who plays below the rim and cannot shoot beyond 8 feet that's not good.
 
I don't remember his stat line, but okafor fared ok vs kentucky's front line, didn't he? Cayley-Stein and Towns were high picks, and overall, their size is representative of NBA teams.
 
When you are a big man who plays below the rim and cannot shoot beyond 8 feet that's not good.

He's 19. He's got a short bank shot from about 10 feet out already. You dont think he can improve his range at all? Nevermind, you dont, rhetorical question. He's a finished product as a teenager. Got it.
 
I don't remember his stat line, but okafor fared ok vs kentucky's front line, didn't he? Cayley-Stein and Towns were high picks, and overall, their size is representative of NBA teams.

Duke didnt play UK. Wiscy beat UK. The most athletic frontline Duke played all year was probably San Diego St. And Okafor destroyed them. LVille would probably be the next best frontcourt with Mathiang and Harrell. Also destroyed them.
 
You guys keep talking about needing to be a "great athlete". Yeah sure that matters when you're 6'0 in the NBA. Or 6'4. Even 6'8. Doesn't matter so much when you're 6'11, 270.

Of the good/great big men in the league right now, how many would qualify as a not-great athlete?
 
Oh well, I guess that's why I didn't remember his stat line. I have no idea how Okafor will do in the NBA. How his offensive game will translate is a legitimate question, given his somewhat limited (by NBA standards) athleticism. I never heard of Porzingas until the day before the draft, and never saw Hezonja play, so I don't know if they will turn out as better players in the NBA or not? As much as Hinkie has kicked the can down the road, I still like his approach better than overpaying for marginal free agents and ending up with a dysfunctional squad after 3 months.
 
He's 19. He's got a short bank shot from about 10 feet out already. You dont think he can improve his range at all? Nevermind, you dont, rhetorical question. He's a finished product as a teenager. Got it.
He has been successful because he's much bigger and had better footwork th an anyone he played against. Thats his game. Both those advantages are gone at the pro level. He won't become a better athlete. In fact, he'll get slower as mist lumbering bugs do at his age.
 
Jefferson
Horford
Noah
Monroe
Lopez
Bogut
Vucevic
Valcianuis (spell)
Gortat
Gasol (both of them)
Pekovic
Asik
Hibbert
Randolph
Those guys are highly skilled, Okafor is not
 
Those guys are highly skilled, Okafor is not

So, every single one of those guys was highly skilled at age 19? None of them got better as they moved along? Cmon, get real.

Look, I wasn't jumping for joy when he fell to the Sixers either. I have some concerns on how impactful he can be, but you are way over the top at this point. You've pretty much written his final chapter already. Slow up. I love how you watch three NBA games a year and always have players figured out during the infantile stages of their development.
 
There are also quite a few of those guys that generate a lot of their value from rebounding and defense, Okafor does not.
 
There are also quite a few of those guys that generate a lot of their value from rebounding and defense, Okafor does not.

Sure. But there are also a few those guys that needed multiple years to develop.

I don't think he needs to be an anchor on the defensive end and adequate improvement is very possible.

What would be a good rebounding number for him next year? Just curious. And I do think he needs to get better here.
 
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Those guys are highly skilled, Okafor is not

This is getting embarrassing. Those guys are all men of advanced age and NBA development. Where were they at 19? You are embarrassing yourself with this. Please stop now.
 
Gdog, Okafor will give up more than he scores. He will be good Stat guy on terrible team. He will be inefficient, rebound poorly and cannot rim protect or guard a chair. Luckily, Noel can cover a lot for him.
 
That's kind of the point re: Noel and/or Embiid. They excel where he lacks.
 
That's kind of the point re: Noel and/or Embiid. They excel where he lacks.
Not really because offensively neither can shoot so it would cause spacing issues. Noel just happens to be an incredibly gifted defensive player. It wasn't part of the plan to draft a lumbering big who cannot shoot. Sixers just got unlucky in the draft.
 
Not really because offensively neither can shoot so it would cause spacing issues. Noel just happens to be an incredibly gifted defensive player. It wasn't part of the plan to draft a lumbering big who cannot shoot. Sixers just got unlucky in the draft.
Let's see it play out first.
 
Come again?

Nowhere near a guarantee, but if the Cavs drafted Noel instead of Bennett in 2013, they would have had a great extra perimeter and interior defender to use against the Warriors. Not sure if Blatt would have trusted him on offense but it was basically all Lebron isolations anyway.

Seems like a crazy statement but any elite defender would have helped the cavs a lot
 
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