hows that for a jinx

The committee dissed the league up and down. The 3rd-place finisher wins the automatic bid, beating two 2-seeds, and gets a 6. Providence on the 9-line. Nova bumped from the east. Only the two midwest schools were given respect relative to the rest of the country.

So now, in addition to us, I am rooting hard for the rest of the league. Yes, even Seton Hall. We need a strong showing collectively to shove it up the committee's a$$. Let's earn back some respect and kick some football-school butt!

can't figure this out, will try something else

Where will we play?

Jay on right now.

picks us to the Elite 8

Loved his answer...To paraphrase:

"Hey we've had good years in the tournament and some bad ones. No one is going to take away a great season from our guys. Really proud of them. However we all know in order to make this season special we have to win in the tournament"

Here:

http://www.coveritlive.com/index.ph...&task=siteviewaltcast&altcast_code=f1d744c193

Love seeing it.

Kansas-Chicago North Carolina-Philly Michigan State-Louisville Oregon-Anaheim
Villanova West Virginia Virginia Oklahoma
Miami Xavier Utah Kentucky
Purdue Maryland Texas A & M Indiana

Logic:

Oklahoma goes West because it is too far to send the three eastern time zone teams on the two line.
Virginia is actually 5 on the s curve and gets Louisville
Villanova should go to Philly but WVU will not get paired with Kansas so we get shipped to Chicago....

I hope I am wrong...it is a tough draw....especially without Philly...

Seton Hall gets a 5 seed, Providence a 9 and Butler a 10.....

No idea who we draw in a 7/10 bracket.....

In reality...I see a 80% probability of a #2 seed....Philly is 50/50% with Chicago the most likely alternate...

I haven't looked at the teams or possible seedings, but I believe we will see UCONN on that 7/10 game if we are a 2. They will have 15k UCONN fans in bklyn. We may as well move that game to Gampel. That will be our penalty to get to Philly as a 2.

Just a hunch

Pretty decent clash. Purdue is better than I thought & could be a handful in tourney

While obviously Whitehead won the game for SHU I think we have to take his game in perspective. He made some absolutely incredible shots...NBA level shots. Multiple step back jumpers and threes. Hard drives in the paint finishing over multiple defenders. And-1 at the end (debatable yes but finished with the contact).

Whitehead misses 1-2 of those high degree of difficulty shots and we win the game. I honestly thought our overall defense on him was superb. Reminded me a bit of Shabazz Napier when we lost to UCONN in the NCAA tourney. It was tough but it's not like we were playing lax defense. We threw the kitchen sink at him and he still delivered.

After yesterday where EVERYTHING broke against Villanova, I have spent hours pondering this and taken a fresh look....I am more confused than ever....

1) Two Decks (and others) "top seeding was decided yesterday afternoon theory" could be true....if so Villanova stays on the #1 seed line and has a 50% chance of getting Philly....

After the Seton Hall game my logic (with some pro-Villanova bias) agrees with the concept. Playing a rival (and legitimate top half of the bracket team) for the third time, playing three days in a row, with a gimpy center and having a fantastic basketball game come down to 30 frantic seconds complete with disputed calls/non calls really says next to nothing about the "body of work" theory that the Committee espouses. For other non Villanova examples see whether Darnell Valentine misses a FT and Melo Trimble miss a contested driving layup or Buddy Heild's 5/100ths of a second miracle bank shot waived off and you get the logic....that is how Tournaments get decided.... but not BODY OF WORK. It is also why regular season championships are more meaningful than conference tournaments.

2) So assuming the Committee (either had contingencies in place...more possible with today's computer capabilities) ) or were up half the night or early this morning and those games mattered.....Editorial Comment: the talking heads, bracketologists, and sportswriters are not on the Committee and have a built in conflict of interest favoring over valuing these results because if it was already decided yesterday afternoon...there would be little result to listen to them, check their websites every two hours or watch the next game on TV if your dog is not impacted by that fight.....

Here is some more analysis....

Kansas is overall #1 (Chicago)

North Carolina is overall #2 (probably Philly...maybe Louisville)....the Heels won both the ACC regular season AND ACC Tourney...end of discussion....

Oregon is the #1 seed out West.....the Ducks won both the PAC 12 regular season and Tournament and just blew out the #2 seed by 31 points....the Ducks are now #2 in the RPI with a #3 SOS....they have 12 top 50 wins......I share the PAC 12 skepticism....who have these teams beaten? when was the last time anybody out there won it or anybody but Arizona or UCLA made any noise in the Dance....but if you believe the numbers...that is a league with 7 bids coming (all Top 50 RPI) and 11 of the 12 teams are in the Top 100....the arguments for and against whether "it is real" mirror the arguments for and against the Big East...lots of good teams but where are the wins over NC, Duke, UVA, Louisville, Kansas, Oklahoma, Michigan St???

And the other #1 seed is?

I don't know.....

Virginia....If you want quality of victories. (NC, Villanova, WVU, Louisville and Miami 2x each, Cal) ...but the Cavaliers did NOT win either the ACC season or Tournament (despite home crowd advantage in DC), have a mediocre road record and too many bad losses.

Michigan State....if you love the eye test, believe in the B1G, discount a couple of losses without Valentine, love momentum, and the win over Kansas.....but they finished 2 games behind a nothing special Indiana team in the B1G season and may or may not win the B1G Tourney (will the Committee wait that long to decide?)....their RPI trails the other contenders and the SOS is surprisingly weak in the 70s...

Villanova....if you are looking for consistency....the Cats #4 RPI and Kenpom, BE regular season title, run to the BET Final (with controversial ending), excellent road record, solid SOS, not one bad loss.....but when they played elite competition they did not get enough quality wins.

Location:

Just as crazy.....

Is sending Villanova to Philly as a #2 seed a reward (or consolation prize) for Villanova or an "unfair penalty" to the top seed?

Will the Committee strictly follow mileage (or consider the totality of moving several teams around and/or factor in conference markets)?

Does the Committee strictly follow the s curve for two seeds or not?
(Some years they claim to and send eastern teams West, sometimes they put the twos closest to home, and sometimes they adjust to avoid coast to coast travel only)

Will bracket guidelines of keeping the top 3 teams from a conference in different regions come into play....example if both Oklahoma and WVU are #2 seeds and neither can go to Chicago with Kansas, and NC and UVA can't be together and Oregon is going to be in the West.....Villanova could wind up in Chicago or Louisville by default

I am not sure where Villanova will go and whether they are a #1 seed....my guess is a #2 seed...still 50/50% on Philly..doubtful in Anaheim...

By the way....this is much more relaxing than the days of worrying about whether Memphis is going to steal our bid this afternoon or whether the Committee will pick Wichita St., Monmouth, St. Mary's, San Diego State, Akron, Valpo instead of middle of the pack power conference teams.....I gladly leave those worries to our wonderfully scummy rivals from Pitt and Syracuse this year.

Curious if anyone has heard a comment on this. Hawks are playing their 3rd game this weekend at Barclays, plus played Va Tech there back in December. The NCAA says 4 games played at an arena makes it your home court and you cannot be placed there. Does this now apply for them or does the post season not count? I think if the can be placed in Brooklyn, there is a good chance they end up paired with us, but not clear that's and option now.

On TV it sounded pretty good. to those who were there, how was the crowd/atmosphere?

Outside of seeing our name in lights on the top two lines yet again, something about this evening has me very excited. I usually don't take enjoyment from the failures of others. Just not really that kind of person. However, I am human and not always a good one. Having tried to take the moral high ground and failing. I admit to taking great satisfaction knowing Cuse and their entire fan base will be on pins and needles hoping for a bid that likely won't come for the 2nd consecutive year. To this I say, you reap what you sow. Your program stinks and you are getting what you deserve. I hope the bus on your field hockey team breaks down during the 12 hour trip to play some ACC game that no one cares about. To all recruits, take notice. Jimmy B will soon be gone. Commit yourself to the rubbish in upstate with your eyes wide open. Don't take those tourney appearances for granted because you might go a few years without one. Suck it Cuse.

To me it is very simple, once again we played very hard but did not play very smart.
This has happened a few times in the Jays era. We lose games when they seemed to be right in our grasp. We have had some strange end of game loss, like that RU four point play.
A good team has to be able to overcome bad refs.
We had it and let it slip it away.
Two more quick observations.
1-
Whitehead is a heck of a player. He may not be a likable character but what a player!
He's better than Dunn, whom by the way, I thought had subpar year and won MVP on rep only.
2.
The ref that called the five seconds reminds me a lot of Tim Stinkin Higgins.
I'm not questioning the call (Hart messed up) but did the white haired ref have to pull out the piggy dance while making the call?
A few moments later he also made the and one call and again he seemed to relish making the call. Maybe it's just me but he really seems to enjoy making a call against Nova.
And one one more thing, just for kicks, and I don't care what main liner and mvp15 would think, so don't bother to reply:
One of the three blind mice should have had the balls to call the foul on Hart. He was clearly fouled.

Nevertheless, we had the game and we let it slip away.

and we look more like a 3 seed than a 2 seed.

Any guesses what commentator said this today?

who do you take first, second, third out of....

Josh Hart
Deandre Bembry
Ben Bentil

Who do you want to play in the finals?.....both Very tough

...says that Arch didn't score for the last 37 plus minutes of the game...is that true?...

Just saw on tv he has us falling to a 2 seed.

i don't know about anybody else that was at the Garden tonight, but the Seton Hall fans around us were obnoxious. There was a high school girl next to me that they harassed to the point where her mom stepped in. And when an older gentleman asked them to stop all their cursing because young kids around, they told him F U. The woman beside them said that she has no problem with cursing around her son. And then when they won, OMG. Same thing leaving the Garden. Lesson to all Nova fans - win and lose with class. Or as my fortune cookie said this week, win as if you expect it, lose as if it's an unpleasant surprise.