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They don't need to win the trade. They needs to get a fair offer. Not take second rate prospects and eat a bunch of money because teams aren't eager to deal right at this moment. I repeat, if he is healthy and pitching well, then some team will inevitably come crawling back. The risk of injury is the only solid point adp has made along the way here, but that alone shouldn't force them to just give him away.
 
Wow Dmill, a team had less people show up to the ballpark when they were one of the worst teams in the league vs when they were a playoff/potential playoff team!?!?!?!??! OH MY, WHAT HORRIBLE FANS!!!!!!! Also, you're telling me that when they had possibly the least fan friendly ball park in baseball and were terrible, they weren't packing the place? But once they built a very fan friends, fun, new ballpark, more people started to show up even when they were bad???? Again, wow!!!! I can't believe it.
 
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Wow Dmill, a team had less people show up to the ballpark when they were one of the worst teams in the league vs when they were a playoff/potential playoff team!?!?!?!??! OH MY, WHAT HORRIBLE FANS!!!!!!! Also, you're telling me that when they had possibly the least fan friendly ball park in baseball and were terrible, they weren't packing the place? But once they built a very fan friends, fun, new ballpark, more people started to show up even when they were bad???? Again, wow!!!! I can't believe it.
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Simple keeping the conversation intellectually honest. Not making any judgements.
 
Ok, it's just that you like to bring up things like that whenever people talk about the quality of fans of the Phillies. Just so we're clear, you just wanted to keep things intellectually honest and you have no opinion about those facts presented? Or you think they are good fans but understand why less people come to the ballpark? Just trying to better understand if you have any actual thoughts on your own or you just want to present the facts.
 
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Ok, it's just that you like to bring up things like that whenever people talk about the quality of fans of the Phillies. Just so we're clear, you just wanted to keep things intellectually honest and you have no opinion about those facts presented? Or you think they are good fans but understand why less people come to the ballpark? Just trying to better understand if you have any actual thoughts on your own or you just want to present the facts.
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Well, I dont think they are particularly special, if that's what you're asking. They tend to follow the patterns of most fans. There are fans of team like the Cubs or Leafs or whoever that come out regardless year after year though.
 
Since CBP opened up the Phils have averaged 2k more fans than the Cubs but your point is taken as they dipped below 30k last year but the cubs have also had that happen too. This years numbers will be telling, but yea, I agree with you in that they're just like most fans. I'd say they're in the upper 1/4 but I also think alot of it has to do with having a great ballpark. Also helps the cubs that their stadium is in the dead center of the city so it is extremely easy to get to (and it's a destination ballpark) whereas for the Phils, you have to make somewhat of a trip to get there. But I just wanted to get your full take on the situation.
 
Originally posted by selmore1:
Since CBP opened up the Phils have averaged 2k more fans than the Cubs but your point is taken as they dipped below 30k last year but the cubs have also had that happen too. This years numbers will be telling, but yea, I agree with you in that they're just like most fans. I'd say they're in the upper 1/4 but I also think alot of it has to do with having a great ballpark. Also helps the cubs that their stadium is in the dead center of the city so it is extremely easy to get to (and it's a destination ballpark) whereas for the Phils, you have to make somewhat of a trip to get there. But I just wanted to get your full take on the situation.
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Go by % of the stadium filled. Cubs have consistently outpaced the Phillies every year since 2001 save the playoff years of 2009 and 2012, despite not being a playoff team since 2003. They have been in the top ten there every year, often in the top 3. Despite a classic but not new ball park and a bad team. The Cubs fan keeps coming. Also, it's part of the city but it's not downtown exactly like Busch stadium is. You have to tip the cap to them in every way.

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100%, not trying to turn this into a Phils vs Cubs debate. Some teams are truly impressive. You can tell that the teams are ingrained in the culture of the city.
 
Originally posted by selmore1:
100%, not trying to turn this into a Phils vs Cubs debate. Some teams are truly impressive. You can tell that the teams are ingrained in the culture of the city.
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I agree. It's just amazing how it can be 100 years of utter futility - I mean they have not made the SERIES in 70 years (70!!!) and somehow they still come. Leafs fans are like that too. Year after year. I have no issue btw, with fans staying away from a poor product. It's no time to reward bad management or poor ownership. Everyone's gotta earn it.
 
No more fantasy baseball for me. Phils stink. I dont bet the sport.

Wow, amazing how little of a sh*t I give about baseball anymore. It's approaching hockey levels for me at this point.
 
Originally posted by gldendog:
No more fantasy baseball for me. Phils stink. I dont bet the sport.

Wow, amazing how little of a sh*t I give about baseball anymore. It's approaching hockey levels for me at this point.
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When you team sucks, that's when you need fantasy baseball more than ever. Summer is too sportless otherwise.
 
Haha agree Dmill. I'm going to follow again this year but probably will start to lose interest pretty early and might not really get back into it until JP Crawford comes up which is years away. Unless they get that huge prospect haul for Hamels :)
 
Wrigley is probably the biggest attraction for baseball fans that live outside of Chicago. This helps a lot. The few times I've been there the place has been littered with Phillies' fans.
 
Originally posted by wcburrs87:
Wrigley is probably the biggest attraction for baseball fans that live outside of Chicago. This helps a lot. The few times I've been there the place has been littered with poor people.
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Nodding.
 
Originally posted by Ninetynine5.0:
Originally posted by gldendog:
No more fantasy baseball for me. Phils stink. I dont bet the sport.

Wow, amazing how little of a sh*t I give about baseball anymore. It's approaching hockey levels for me at this point.
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When you team sucks, that's when you need fantasy baseball more than ever. Summer is too sportless otherwise.
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I finally got fed up with fantasy baseball last yr. Too much bullsh*t takes place during the fantasy playoffs with teams resting starting pitchers and altering rotations after your lineup is locked for the week. I dont like to invest time in something for that many months and then just leave it to chance in crunch time. Too aggravating. There's already enough chance involved in fantasy sports, throwing wrenches like that into the mix makes the entire exercise a waste of time.

As for sportless summers, as far as team sports go that's definitely true but I have a greater interest in individual sports like boxing, UFC, tennis (French Open, Wimbledon, US Open) anyway so it doesnt really bother me.
 
Gdog, I only play in leagues that you can switch line ups daily. It can be a tad time consuming (not fully because 90% of the league isn't changing everything everyday besides the playoffs) but I love baseball and it keeps me involved all season. I know it's too much for a lot of people though.
 
I'm just glad we're talking about baseball. Been a tough two months for me personally. Consider this my mea culpa for being a dickhead. Note, I'm right on Hamels.
 
Ohhh the sky is falling. Press conferences during spring training might be awkward. Reel it in, Ken.

Howard is not tradable. Paplebon is barely tradable. Lee is hurt. Does he suggest that they just cut them (Maybe they will at some point with Howard)?

Yea, no one is suggesting that they give away Hamels, Ken. And that's exactly why he is still here. Oh wait, someone on the Padres side of things told him they made an aggressive offer, but of course no names were mentioned. Go eat a dick, Ken.

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For all of their "connections", I could have written the same article as either Olney or Rosenthal without making one phone call. Seriously, it's all off season speculation and it fills up server space.
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adp98 said:
I'm just glad we're talking about baseball. Been a tough two months for me personally. Consider this my mea culpa for being a dickhead. Note, I'm right on Hamels.
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No you werent right. Hence my post. No trolling. Just pointing out you were wrong. And you're still kinda dickheady
 
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Here is the question: do you trust Ruin tomorrow to pull off a monster trade when he has no leverage, it decreases by the day, the market is moving away from him, and each day closer to the deadline a massive crop of similar pitchers can be had for a lot less in terms of prospects? He's stuck. His only way out is to eat a significant portion of money. My entire point. Until he does that the Phillies are stuck in the same spot today. The market is moving away from them and Hamels values goes down. You guys can't even figure out how the Shields signing hurts the Phillies. He got 35 million less and it cost no prospects. Yet, you continue to believe beyond all history to this point that rube has it. He's making Billy king look competent.
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Dead wrong. Phils (maybe not RAJ) made a good hamels trade
 
Edit, due to persistence lets call this the curtain call. New term into the lexicon. You' re welcome.
 
ADP meet woodshed. Beautiful. Nothing but spin and goal post moving in hopes of sparing his street cred here on BWs.
 
so the Phillies taking on $32 million and still not getting the Rangers top guys makes me wrong. I'll give you credit for trying on the fishing trip.
 
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so the Phillies taking on $32 million and still not getting the Rangers top guys makes me wrong. I'll give you credit for trying on the fishing trip.
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Ha ha, the fishing trip.

No one ever said they were getting or had to get a top 10 prospect in all of baseball. They basically got three top 50 ish guys from one of the deeper minor leagues in baseball. They got a good return on paper and Hamels' market or value never diminished like you said it would. There was no need to give him away during spring training. Like you suggested. To get what they can. And no one cares about the money. Cash is oozing out of Middleton and when it comes time to spend again then they'll do exactly that. You were further off than most with this issue and not even close to being right. Hit the showers!
 
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