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OT: Ted Cruz for President

Ted Cruz is the perfect person for a government position where he has to articulate someone else's views. He'd make a great Attorney General.
 
Originally posted by LizReed:
"Gov. Scott Walker will have to plug a roughly $280 million budget shortfall by the end of June, and the state faces a two-year deficit that could be as large as $2 billion, based on new estimates released Friday by the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau"

Maybe these aren't deficits, per se, but this isn't fiscally responsibility.
He's got to fill the deficit right? So again, what is the news here? I'm sure he'd be happy to cut more benefits in the blue state of Wisconsin but that's probably not in the cards. So he'll have to do what he's done the previous 5 years, work across the aisle with Democrats to find solutions. People should want more Gov's like this guy. He's done a good job.
 
Originally posted by TwoDecks:
The guy had an undergrad degree from Princeton (where he was the national debate champion his senior year) and a law degree from Harvard. He is a sitting US Senator from the State of Texas. Did you believe his speech would be bad? He is an incredible speaker and from what I have heard an extremely engaging guy when you meet him one-on-one. He is everything you'd want our next president to be - UNTIL YOU READ WHAT HE STANDS FOR.
The same description, with a different undergrad degree and state he was a senator from, could be applied to our dear President, could it not be?
 
Originally posted by LizReed:
"Gov. Scott Walker will have to plug a roughly $280 million budget shortfall by the end of June, and the state faces a two-year deficit that could be as large as $2 billion, based on new estimates released Friday by the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau"

Maybe these aren't deficits, per se, but this isn't fiscally responsibility.
Sounds like he's tailor made for DC.
 
Originally posted by Ninetynine5.0:
Originally posted by LizReed:
"Gov. Scott Walker will have to plug a roughly $280 million budget shortfall by the end of June, and the state faces a two-year deficit that could be as large as $2 billion, based on new estimates released Friday by the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau"

Maybe these aren't deficits, per se, but this isn't fiscally responsibility.
Sounds like he's tailor made for DC.
Not so sure, what does he do with his e-mails?
 
Originally posted by adp98:
He's got to fill the deficit right? So again, what is the news here? I'm sure he'd be happy to cut more benefits in the blue state of Wisconsin but that's probably not in the cards. So he'll have to do what he's done the previous 5 years, work across the aisle with Democrats to find solutions. People should want more Gov's like this guy. He's done a good job.
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TD - I think some of his views on social issues stink which is why I dismissed him in the first place. But what's wrong with:
1. A flat tax and the abolition of the IRS
2. Closing the borders but modernizing and streamlining the legal immigration process
3. Calling terrorism what it is and implementing a strategy to destroy them
4. Balancing the budget
5. Streamlining and trimming the Federal Bureaucracy and returning more power to the states.
6. Abolishing and replacing Obamacare with a patient driven system of choice.
I know politicians have been promising these things and lots of other stuff every election and never delivered. So, it's probably just more of the same. But, that's what's wrong and has been wrong for a very long time. If we stick with the establishment type candidates we already know NOTHING will change. It's probably not Cruz but God knows we desperately need a President who will be a uniter and not a divider and someone who will think out of the box and get the whole country behind it. The idea of a Clinton/Bush election is akin to craving a colonoscopy. It's just not something I ever want to experience!
 
Originally posted by TheFoyeEffect:
We should switch to a consumption-based tax system.
I'd be curious to see this in a consumption-based economy.
 
Originally posted by tjc3844:
TD - I think some of his views on social issues stink which is why I dismissed him in the first place. But what's wrong with:
1. A flat tax and the abolition of the IRS
...
Just curious who I should send my flat tax check to after the IRS is abolished?
 
Not if there's a cutoff below a certain level where no taxes are due. But, I'm not in favor of anybody being exempted from any tax liability. Even if it's only say a nominal amount like $50.
 
Originally posted by tjc3844:
Not if there's a cutoff below a certain level where no taxes are due. But, I'm not in favor of anybody being exempted from any tax liability. Even if it's only say a nominal amount like $50.
Bernie Sanders would punch you in the mouth if you said this to him.
 
Originally posted by tjc3844:
TD - I think some of his views on social issues stink which is why I dismissed him in the first place. But what's wrong with:
1. A flat tax and the abolition of the IRS
2. Closing the borders but modernizing and streamlining the legal immigration process
3. Calling terrorism what it is and implementing a strategy to destroy them
4. Balancing the budget
5. Streamlining and trimming the Federal Bureaucracy and returning more power to the states.
6. Abolishing and replacing Obamacare with a patient driven system of choice.
I know politicians have been promising these things and lots of other stuff every election and never delivered. So, it's probably just more of the same. But, that's what's wrong and has been wrong for a very long time. If we stick with the establishment type candidates we already know NOTHING will change. It's probably not Cruz but God knows we desperately need a President who will be a uniter and not a divider and someone who will think out of the box and get the whole country behind it. The idea of a Clinton/Bush election is akin to craving a colonoscopy. It's just not something I ever want to experience!
Just want to take a stab at a few of these things.

1) There is no chance of a flat tax because tax is the main currency of the two parties, and they both need that currency desperately. They will never give that away.
2)Spoken about by every candidate since Nixon, never happens,
3)What exactly is his strategy? Have the intel agencies track, hunt and drone them down? Pretty much what we do already. Does he have some kind of new plan? Calling a terrorist a mooslum pisses off terrorists. Deliberately not calling them radical moooslums pisses off terrorist. In the end, you have pissed off terrorist that you have to kill. Are we currently not killing terrorists? Is he proposing to send more troops back into Iraq? Iran? Syria? Yemen? What's his specific plan here besides calling them what they are?
4)See #2. Sad part is 2 of the last 3 Republican presidents were egregious spenders and had no interest in a balanced anything. They've lost so much credibility in this pillar of the party.
5)See #4. When using statistics to track number of federal and state gov't employee numbers, last two dems have done significantly better than last two republicans. Homeland Security anyone?
6)Good luck trying to repeal Obamacare now. More productive stance would be to attack its biggest mistake - like state lines availability, tort reform and co-insurance rates.

7) There will never be a 'uniter' again (provided you believe there ever was one). The media will not allow for that. Mainstream media, cable outlets, talk radio and thousands of websites. No Dem is 'uniting' Matt Drudge, and no Republican is uniting the ' lamestream media' . There's big money in division - both for the media and the candidates. As a result, the people will never be united in a meaningful way. I do not think it's very hard to see that not a single candidate on either side is even attempting to act as a compromise capable candidate.
 
Let's say I buy what you are saying, 5.0 then what's your solution? Just let the country continue its downward glide?
 
ND, then let's use Obamacare "speak" and call it a citizenship fee and not a tax.
 
Originally posted by tjc3844:
Let's say I buy what you are saying, 5.0 then what's your solution? Just let the country continue its downward glide?
See that is where we differ. We are a country of 300M+ people, and we have some major problems. No one would argue that. But I do not see us on any kind of 'downward slide' at all. We have things that need to be addressed - we always have had that - and I believe we should have fact based discussions constantly to find solutions to these problems. But I see a country that is still willing to debate itself peacefully. It's ok to disagree and be bothered by certain things. But we are as a whole extraordinarily well off as a nation, and we continue to foster ideas, technology, growth, expansion and advancements in nearly every meaningful field of work. We're extremely safe for all intents and discourse in our case is healthy and essential. It keeps us from the extreme of either end. That's a good thing. What we dont do enough is hold politicians accountable for their own spoken ideals which the ignore almost routinely once elected. We allows them to be bought and sold ten times over. It's one of many big problems that foster the smaller more local problems we have today.

What shocks me to this day is how willing poeple are to ignore their own intellect when it comes to politcal parties. A guy tells you he's a democrat or republican and because of that banner they are either ok or an a hole depending on what side you consider yourself on. Makes no sense. I am wondering how people can look at Washington DC and see party lines, when they should simply see one giant morass of puss covered egos. It's not democrat or republican, it's citizen willing to work or politician. I know what side of that I am on. It's not red vs blue, it's us against them. Sooner we get to that mentality, sooner you'll see much better things happen. I'm bullish on the US because we work, and that's not changing.
 
I'd like to hear plans for closing the borders? Sounds great on paper but how does one actually do this? I think we should deploy drones that kill everything coming across. You do that for a few months, word gets around and goes a long way. However, I don't think the American people find that acceptable.

DMIL, us against them. Populist rage baby. Good stuff.
 
Originally posted by adp98:
I'd like to hear plans for closing the borders? Sounds great on paper but how does one actually do this? I think we should deploy drones that kill everything coming across. You do that for a few months, word gets around and goes a long way. However,
Now you're talking, adp.
 
Originally posted by Ninetynine5.0:
Originally posted by adp98:


DMIL, us against them. Populist rage baby. Good stuff.
Spoken exactly like a guy who feeds from the trough.
I'm just another taxpayer trying to build a business like you. However, I love the "us vs. them". "Let's hold politicians accountable". And then you vote for Obama's re-election. Sweet rhetoric guy. It's like the guy who says, "I'll close the borders". "Free college for everyone". I want it all but I don't want to pay for it and then blame Washington. It's like a 4 year old temper tantrum.
 
Originally posted by adp98:
I'm just another taxpayer trying to build a business like you. However, I love the "us vs. them". "Let's hold politicians accountable". And then you vote for Obama's re-election. Sweet rhetoric guy. It's like the guy who says, "I'll close the borders". "Free college for everyone". I want it all but I don't want to pay for it and then blame Washington. It's like a 4 year old temper tantrum.
You know that adp is going no-carbs when he starts posting nearly incoherent rants like this.
 
Originally posted by adp98:

Originally posted by Ninetynine5.0:
Originally posted by adp98:


DMIL, us against them. Populist rage baby. Good stuff.
Spoken exactly like a guy who feeds from the trough.
I'm just another taxpayer trying to build a business like you. However, I love the "us vs. them". "Let's hold politicians accountable". And then you vote for Obama's re-election. Sweet rhetoric guy. It's like the guy who says, "I'll close the borders". "Free college for everyone". I want it all but I don't want to pay for it and then blame Washington. It's like a 4 year old temper tantrum.
Child please. You make your living in the morass. That you can hold your nose and justify it is fine with me, some people peddle porn are ok with it and some people make cigarettes and it's all legal and ok. Keep at it I say.

But spare me the who I voted for assumption and speeches about rhetoric. That's like John Calipari writing a book about the importance of staying in college 4 years. I never said 'let's hold them accountable' I said we dont hold them accountable. From lobbyists to gerrymandering to outright bribes to scandals. Disgusting practices not exclusive to either party. And we don't. Simple fact. You're like the defense contractor who says he's part of the private sector. You're kidding yourself.
 
Originally posted by Ninetynine5.0:
Originally posted by adp98:

Originally posted by Ninetynine5.0:
Originally posted by adp98:


DMIL, us against them. Populist rage baby. Good stuff.
Spoken exactly like a guy who feeds from the trough.
I'm just another taxpayer trying to build a business like you. However, I love the "us vs. them". "Let's hold politicians accountable". And then you vote for Obama's re-election. Sweet rhetoric guy. It's like the guy who says, "I'll close the borders". "Free college for everyone". I want it all but I don't want to pay for it and then blame Washington. It's like a 4 year old temper tantrum.
Child please. You make your living in the morass. That you can hold your nose and justify it is fine with me, some people peddle porn are ok with it and some people make cigarettes and it's all legal and ok. Keep at it I say.

But spare me the who I voted for assumption and speeches about rhetoric. That's like John Calipari writing a book about the importance of staying in college 4 years. I never said 'let's hold them accountable' I said we dont hold them accountable. From lobbyists to gerrymandering to outright bribes to scandals. Disgusting practices not exclusive to either party. And we don't. Simple fact. You're like the defense contractor who says he's part of the private sector. You're kidding yourself.
Says the guy in advertising. You play your role well Ad Man. Cap tip.
 
Here's a plan to close the borders, adp. How about we reduce our troop levels in Western Europe. Relocate several of our large domestic military bases to the border states. Re-assign the Europe based troops to the border to protect it. I feel pretty sure that would solve the border problem. The added benefit would be that the troops would be spending money in our domestic economy rather than in the European economies. It's a win/win situation.
 
Originally posted by tjc3844:
Here's a plan to close the borders, adp. How about we reduce our troop levels in Western Europe. Relocate several of our large domestic military bases to the border states. Re-assign the Europe based troops to the border to protect it. I feel pretty sure that would solve the border problem. The added benefit would be that the troops would be spending money in our domestic economy rather than in the European economies. It's a win/win situation.
Do you have any clue how much it would cost to relocate a bunch of military bases? And then you weaken yourself in key areas of the world. And you believe the benefit would be due to all the additional money our highly paid soliders would bring to those local border economies that they are currently spending in the Middle East. This is your plan to strengthen the country and save money all at once? About as smart as abolishing the IRS. And you wonder why you get killed on here.
 
Originally posted by adp98:

Originally posted by tjc3844:
Here's a plan to close the borders, adp. How about we reduce our troop levels in Western Europe. Relocate several of our large domestic military bases to the border states. Re-assign the Europe based troops to the border to protect it. I feel pretty sure that would solve the border problem. The added benefit would be that the troops would be spending money in our domestic economy rather than in the European economies. It's a win/win situation.
Do you have any clue how much it would cost to relocate a bunch of military bases? And then you weaken yourself in key areas of the world. And you believe the benefit would be due to all the additional money our highly paid soliders would bring to those local border economies that they are currently spending in the Middle East. This is your plan to strengthen the country and save money all at once? About as smart as abolishing the IRS. And you wonder why you get killed on here.
I'm sure the Ukraine and Poland would absolutely love that idea...
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Heard on NPR this week:


TERRY GROSS: Jeffrey Toobin, welcome to FRESH AIR. Thanks for coming back to the show. So Ted Cruz wants to reclaim the Constitution of the United States. Who does he want to reclaim it from?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Ruth Bader Ginsburg..
 
Originally posted by Ninetynine5.0:

Originally posted by tjc3844:
TD - I think some of his views on social issues stink which is why I dismissed him in the first place. But what's wrong with:
1. A flat tax and the abolition of the IRS
2. Closing the borders but modernizing and streamlining the legal immigration process
3. Calling terrorism what it is and implementing a strategy to destroy them
4. Balancing the budget
5. Streamlining and trimming the Federal Bureaucracy and returning more power to the states.
6. Abolishing and replacing Obamacare with a patient driven system of choice.
I know politicians have been promising these things and lots of other stuff every election and never delivered. So, it's probably just more of the same. But, that's what's wrong and has been wrong for a very long time. If we stick with the establishment type candidates we already know NOTHING will change. It's probably not Cruz but God knows we desperately need a President who will be a uniter and not a divider and someone who will think out of the box and get the whole country behind it. The idea of a Clinton/Bush election is akin to craving a colonoscopy. It's just not something I ever want to experience!
Just want to take a stab at a few of these things.

1) There is no chance of a flat tax because tax is the main currency of the two parties, and they both need that currency desperately. They will never give that away.
2)Spoken about by every candidate since Nixon, never happens,
3)What exactly is his strategy? Have the intel agencies track, hunt and drone them down? Pretty much what we do already. Does he have some kind of new plan? Calling a terrorist a mooslum pisses off terrorists. Deliberately not calling them radical moooslums pisses off terrorist. In the end, you have pissed off terrorist that you have to kill. Are we currently not killing terrorists? Is he proposing to send more troops back into Iraq? Iran? Syria? Yemen? What's his specific plan here besides calling them what they are?
4)See #2. Sad part is 2 of the last 3 Republican presidents were egregious spenders and had no interest in a balanced anything. They've lost so much credibility in this pillar of the party.
5)See #4. When using statistics to track number of federal and state gov't employee numbers, last two dems have done significantly better than last two republicans. Homeland Security anyone?
6)Good luck trying to repeal Obamacare now. More productive stance would be to attack its biggest mistake - like state lines availability, tort reform and co-insurance rates.

7) There will never be a 'uniter' again (provided you believe there ever was one). The media will not allow for that. Mainstream media, cable outlets, talk radio and thousands of websites. No Dem is 'uniting' Matt Drudge, and no Republican is uniting the ' lamestream media' . There's big money in division - both for the media and the candidates. As a result, the people will never be united in a meaningful way. I do not think it's very hard to see that not a single candidate on either side is even attempting to act as a compromise capable candidate.
Fortunately, I was on the road yesterday and didn't have to answer this.
 
TJC can't be a real person. Must be the gr8est "alt" in INET history. The only conceivable explanation.
 
Originally posted by tjc3844:
Here's a plan to close the borders, adp. How about we reduce our troop levels in Western Europe. Relocate several of our large domestic military bases to the border states. Re-assign the Europe based troops to the border to protect it. I feel pretty sure that would solve the border problem. The added benefit would be that the troops would be spending money in our domestic economy rather than in the European economies. It's a win/win situation.
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The Second World War ended 70 years ago. So, you still want to keep holding our European allies hands while they get a free ride at the expense of the American taxpayers? Now that really sounds like a plan to me and it's so innovative!
 
Originally posted by adp98:

TJC can't be a real person.
Why is he in the cesspool?

Here's a riddle:

If you're in the cesspool, but have everybody on "ignore", who the f___ are you talking to?

e: glitch



This post was edited on 3/26 11:05 AM by spg109876ers
 
Originally posted by RSTRICK30:
Heard on NPR this week:


TERRY GROSS: Jeffrey Toobin, welcome to FRESH AIR. Thanks for coming back to the show. So Ted Cruz wants to reclaim the Constitution of the United States. Who does he want to reclaim it from?

JEFFREY TOOBIN: Ruth Bader Ginsburg..
Your point?
 
Originally posted by tjc3844:
The Second World War ended 70 years ago. So, you still want to keep holding our European allies hands while they get a free ride at the expense of the American taxpayers? Now that really sounds like a plan to me and it's so innovative!
So you think that the US has a network of bases around the world because we're still helping them rebuild from WWII?
 
Originally posted by NickleDimer:

Originally posted by tjc3844:
The Second World War ended 70 years ago. So, you still want to keep holding our European allies hands while they get a free ride at the expense of the American taxpayers? Now that really sounds like a plan to me and it's so innovative!
So you think that the US has a network of bases around the world because we're still helping them rebuild from WWII?
Are you suggesting we have strategic interests outside of the US borders?
 
Originally posted by adp98:
Are you suggesting we have strategic interests outside of the US borders?
Not suggesting anything. Just trying to gauge if tjc thinks that the US, in 2015, is sending their lazy military personnel to Germany to pretend to rebuild schools that were lost in the bombing of Dresden.
 
If you want to talk seriously about it, ND or Adp, let me know. If you just want to keep trying to stick with the status quo and throw barbs at people who at least are offering alternatives to get a substantive conversation going, so be it. The government doesn't work. We have no effective foreign policy. Our rights are ever so slowly being taken away and your solution seems to be to try to be an Inet comedian.
 
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