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Phil showing he is a bit clueless by talking about a player he shouldn't be talking about. The fine is coming, but what does Phil care, he invented the game.
Agree about Towns.
Novaball, Okafor might be the sure-fire #1 pick, he's probably the most ready, but that doesn't mean he'll be the best player in 2-5 years. I have pretty much though this since the college season started.
Hinke did a radio interview the other day on sports radio in the COP and his voice sounds exactly like family guys impression of Al Gore.
Dude, no one is pleased with 19 and 12 wins, but if this is necessary to some day be really good, then I can live with it.
I've have been consistent since day one with Hinkie. There are no guarantees. But nothing else has worked, so I'll give this idea a chance. I do believe that in the NBA, for the most part, you have to get really bad before being really good. I also think you need a little luck.
http://www.975thefanatic.com/teams/sixers/2015/02/20/mike-miss-talks-with-sixers-gm-sam-hinkie
listen to both. its exactly the same voice. maybe hinke works for family guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suh1dj2P1rM
listen to both. its exactly the same voice. maybe hinke works for family guy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suh1dj2P1rM
Okafor can't guard a chair at the college level. He's a 5 man who will be decent but hurts you defensively and he's not a good enough athlete to add rim protection at the 5 level. He got snubbed the other might for defense. He's completely overrated and won't be great at the next level.
i disagree , anyone with his skill set and size will be an effective NBA player. so he's not a shot blocker , so what, he has the talent to get 17 and 10 every night in the NBA. lots of NBA bigs arent shot blockers or defenders. the next time Blake Griffin plays defense will be the first.
Again, Towns is far superior defensively to Okafor. Yes, Okafor will almost certainly be the #1 pick because he has a great offensive game right now. Two or three years down the road, Towns may very well be the better overall player. The kid is just crazy athletic among many other strengths.
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As far as the 76ers, I want to see what happens this summer. They will have at least a mid first round pick and a top 3 pick maybe #1. Ok City once Durant gets back, will finish 19th or 20th so they will get that pick IMO. Westbrook is playing out of his mind right now.
If you have a healthy Embid, Noel, Russell or Mulday or Okafor that is not bad. Say you get lucky and take Okafor at #1 or take Towns lets say because you love his upside after Okafor, then you have Miami's pick and Noel to dangle to get back in the top 5 if needed. I do not advocate trading Noel but if you don't land Russell or Mulday with that first pick, then you need to get one of them if at all possible.
This post was edited on 2/27 1:54 PM by matty17
As far as the 76ers, I want to see what happens this summer. They will have at least a mid first round pick and a top 3 pick maybe #1. Ok City once Durant gets back, will finish 19th or 20th so they will get that pick IMO. Westbrook is playing out of his mind right now.
If you have a healthy Embid, Noel, Russell or Mulday or Okafor that is not bad. Say you get lucky and take Okafor at #1 or take Towns lets say because you love his upside after Okafor, then you have Miami's pick and Noel to dangle to get back in the top 5 if needed. I do not advocate trading Noel but if you don't land Russell or Mulday with that first pick, then you need to get one of them if at all possible.
This post was edited on 2/27 1:54 PM by matty17
can we finally say that Westbrook is better than Durrant? i have been saying it for three years now. guy is unreal.
its hard to have a guy like Westbrook and Durant on the same team. both need to dominate the ball to be successful, the NBA is the iverson effect. one player scores, everyone else watches. a few teams are the exception, the hawks , spurs and warriors (although curry and thompson score most of the points). when Cleveland gets into the playoffs James will take over and hog the ball and if they lose everyone will blame Kevin Love.
Half of what troubles defensively Okafor is fixable I think. That is his inability to recognize things. The other half, his feet, and I not as sure. Not quick. He wing span and ability can make up for a lot though.
I hope the Sixers drop to 6 in the draft and they go with D"Angelo Russel for the 2nd coming of Evan Turner.
Okafor is not a very good athlete. You cannot fix as much. He cannot protect the rim and he's not overly athletic. He has very good offensive foot work. Don't confuse this for being a good athlete. Michael bradley is a perfect example. Dominated offensively in college with incredible offensive feet-moves. Went up a level and his lack of foot speed had him out of the league because he could not guard a chair. Okafor the more i've seen has bust written all over him. Which is why Selmore was wrong when he argued the guy could play the 4 (he has now admitted as much, cap tip for owning your mistake) at the next level. You cannot teach athletic ability. He doesn't have much in terms of running and jumping. Defensively he'll be awful at the next level. He's awful at the college level.
Okafur is 18 or 19, he has lots of room to improve, and i disagree that he is not athletic. he runs the floor well and finishes with power. not everyone is serge ibaka when it comes to athleticism.
Bradley did not have a 7'5 wing span and a 9'5 vertical stretch. He actually moves well on teh floor up and down, has some NBA ready moves in the post that absolutely will work because of his size and reach. But he is not without the flaws you mentioned. Bust might be overstating it....
This post was edited on 2/27 3:28 PM by Ninetynine5.0
the evan turner pick is exactly why i dont think Hinkes plan will work. there arent that many good players in college and really no superstars on the horizon to be a sure thing NBA star. Turner was #2 overall and is an avg NBA player. give the Sixers the #2 pick this year and next and im not sure it will really change the franchise. there is no lebron, no kobe, shaq in the draft.
Calling him a possible bust is too string. The kid obviously has talent. He's much better than M. Bradley. He's not a good defender at this time. He doesn't possess the athleticism to be an elite defender, but he could one day be competent. He doesn't really play above the rim and at NBA level won't bully opponents as much as he does now. Still, let's not lose sight that he is a freshman and has a high offensive skill set. Personally, I think Towns has a better skill set considering both ends of the floor.
How many superstars are in the league right now? Of them, how many were considered superstars prior to being drafted?
Not every draft is considered equal. That was a weak draft. Plus, Himkie wouldn't have drafted Turner. He doesn't fit the mold of what Hinkie likes.
Also, you do t need the next Jordan, James, etc....
Not arguably, is. And well beyond any doubt I think. Knock on him as you say is that he's TOO unselfish at crunch time, but most have a hard time pointing out where he didn't make the right basketball play.
the Love comment was a joke. i was kidding. and of course Burrs uses it to say i dont watch the NBA. everyone remember Burrs knows it all. he hangs out at the Bungalo and drinks with the other locals watching the NBA all day, cause thats what they do in Clifton. they never watch the flyers or phillies.
enter Burrs' comment telling me i dont even know my old neighborhood cause the Bungalo is closed.
enter Burrs' comment telling me i dont even know my old neighborhood cause the Bungalo is closed.
novabball, if you don't enjoy the NBA and (obviously) don't watch it - why do you feel the need to comment in every thread involving it?
NBA individual points per game winners in the last decade (link below), if anything, appear to be the lowest they have been over any 10 year span since the 50s. This year's PPG leader is 26.75. Besides, if scoring a lot of your teams points means the quality of basketball is bad - that means by your measures you have to call Jordan's run from '87-'93 the worst quality of basketball in NBA History. You can't have it both ways.
It's also hilarious how you point out the best teams in the league and say they are "exceptions". No way - the good teams actually aren't selfish? What are the odds of that
Iverson peaked more than 10 years ago. His run as a top player lasted about 4 years and was essentially a failed experiment. You can count on one hand the players around the league who made a roster this year with his kind of mentality. Please either start watching the NBA or stop commenting on it.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_per_g_yearly.html
NBA individual points per game winners in the last decade (link below), if anything, appear to be the lowest they have been over any 10 year span since the 50s. This year's PPG leader is 26.75. Besides, if scoring a lot of your teams points means the quality of basketball is bad - that means by your measures you have to call Jordan's run from '87-'93 the worst quality of basketball in NBA History. You can't have it both ways.
It's also hilarious how you point out the best teams in the league and say they are "exceptions". No way - the good teams actually aren't selfish? What are the odds of that
Iverson peaked more than 10 years ago. His run as a top player lasted about 4 years and was essentially a failed experiment. You can count on one hand the players around the league who made a roster this year with his kind of mentality. Please either start watching the NBA or stop commenting on it.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_per_g_yearly.html
This is the dumbest thing I have ever read on this message board. It's like saying because Stromile Swift was drafted #2 in the 2000 draft that it means there would be no one good to come out of the 2003 draft.
Wiggins did not look like a sure thing star to a lot of (mostly misguided) people last year. He is having one of the best 19 year old seasons in NBA history right now and making very few mistakes a long the way.
Please stop this madness
I know that's a BW reference burrs but I don't remember exactly from where.
I'm watching Wolves vs Grizzlies right now. Wiggins is great. I like him because he didn't just copy superstar wings for his arsenal of go to moves. He has one of the best spin moves I've ever seen, he reads the balance of the guy defending him very well, and he uses his quick elevation to create space. He takes good shots and despite his extremely calm demeanor is becoming a guy who can will his way to the bucket at any time.
James Harden definitely won the matchup with him this week but there were possessions where Harden was swallowed up by Wiggins' defense. Kid is special and has a great attitude.
I'm watching Wolves vs Grizzlies right now. Wiggins is great. I like him because he didn't just copy superstar wings for his arsenal of go to moves. He has one of the best spin moves I've ever seen, he reads the balance of the guy defending him very well, and he uses his quick elevation to create space. He takes good shots and despite his extremely calm demeanor is becoming a guy who can will his way to the bucket at any time.
James Harden definitely won the matchup with him this week but there were possessions where Harden was swallowed up by Wiggins' defense. Kid is special and has a great attitude.
towns is going to go #1 overall--critical mass is already moving in that direction. has made 25 of his last 26 from the free throw line, great rebounder/passer/defender. plays smart and plays angry
okafor is a lazy, slow-footed defender. he's a fat 19 year-old. only difference between he and jevale mcgee defensively is effort--mcgee actually tries significantly harder. obviously getting no coaching in that cynical fake-basketball operation down there
canaan is annoying and can't play but he does make 3s. maybe he can grow into a patty mills role down the line. i did not realize thomas robinson was so good a rebounder at the nba level
okafor is a lazy, slow-footed defender. he's a fat 19 year-old. only difference between he and jevale mcgee defensively is effort--mcgee actually tries significantly harder. obviously getting no coaching in that cynical fake-basketball operation down there
canaan is annoying and can't play but he does make 3s. maybe he can grow into a patty mills role down the line. i did not realize thomas robinson was so good a rebounder at the nba level
Anyone that doesn't think Okafor is a great talent and will be a great pro is a numbskull. Pure and simple.
Canaan's ceiling is as a bench, 3-pt specialist? He isn't a playmaker and gets swallowed up the closer he gets to the rim. The Sixers absolutely can't start next season with him and Ish Smith types as their PGs. Robinson does hit the glass hard. Very passionate in terms of that. He seems to play hard and is tough. However, he needs to understand his limitations and stop taking shots on the perimeter. Emulate Rodman and maybe you have a chance.
McGee might be getting bought out. I won't lose any sleep.
McGee might be getting bought out. I won't lose any sleep.
What is the definition of great pro? I think he will definitely grow into a guy who is a starter for at least 5 seasons. No one on here has said he won't be good - they're just pointing out his (very visible) weaknesses and saying he isn't the consensus #1 which he was in November anymore.
I think a lot of the guys pointing out his flaws are the same ones who stood behind Wiggins last year when he wasn't dominant. College success has not meant much when it comes to the pros for the past decade. Jahlil needs to improve more on defense than the other potential top 5 picks do on offense - and a guy can improve O more easily than D.
Getting sick of hearing BB bloviate after every game. Team sucks, future is questionable so I don't want to hear how things are improving after ever 20 pt loss. Get back to me after we have the team that you and the guy below have the team you want on the court.
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