NBA Playoffs
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Was he suppose to win every year? So, he didn't win it in WAS as a 38 & 39 year old and not playing for 3 years. Two other years he only played in 18 & 17 games. So, he won 6 titles in 11 full seasons during his younger/prime years. Oh yea, was Finals MVP every year he made it.
Burrs, we all know he was great. I was simply responding to your silly thought process he never lost on the biggest stage. He failed to make the biggest stage 9 times. Somehow that's better than Bron losing in the finals.
The biggest stage is the Finals. When Jordan got there he won every single time and was MVP in all six. Fact. He probably stepped away from at least two, if not three more titles.
But if you lose before getting to the Finals that is not somehow better than losing in the Finals. That's silly. So Nova had a better year than Wisconsin because we lost in the 2nd round and not the final? That's silly. Jordan is the. Greatest ever. However, don't devalue LeBron making all those finals just because he lost. That's not somehow worse than losing to Boston in round one.
No one is devaluing LeBron. He is the best player in the league and has been for some time now. He's also in top 5 ever. I have always said that. How is that devaluing him?
By trying to use the argument Jordan never lost in the Finals a la Lebron. There are many reasons to call Jordan the greatest ever. Saying he never lost in the Finals but Lebron did given Jordan failed to reached the Finals 9 of his 15 seasons isn't one of the reasons. There are many others but that logic doesn't make any sense.
He also argues that LeBron has had some off games in the finals as well. I mean, that's proof positive. Fact is, LeBron can do everything Jordan did, but Jordan could not do everything LeBron does on the floor. Both ends.
Wait, so (6-0) in Finals' appearances with six MVPs isn't something you can use to argue one player over another? Yea, no big deal. You're right.
That's right I forgot that Jordan went out and sought two of the better players in the league to join forces with.
And James will never have the competitive fire that Jordan possessed. He puts those teams on his back. These players aren't even close when it comes to that. James has had too many incidents of just blending in when he should have been showing everyone he's the best player in the world (ie Dallas). A 29-year old, in his prime, who some want to declare best player ever allowed his team to be pissed on in historic fashion in last year's finals. No team has ever been beaten as badly as the Heat were last year. I'm sorry but if you want to be in the GOAT convo that can't happen.
Mavericks were eliminated when I wrote that post. As of today:
Warriors - 1975
Cleveland - never
Rockets - 95 (not happening)
Hawks - never (not happening)
So one of the biggest issues with the modern NBA - the same teams always winning - appears to be changing. Spurs are fading. Warriors and Cavs should compete for years. New contenders are always exciting
Off recent topic for second, but what are some thoughts on the Hawks being butt hurt about the "reckless" play of Matthew Delladoca?
Personally, it's BS to me. The play on Korver and Horford weren't dirty. What's this brotherhood nonsense?
Personally, it's BS to me. The play on Korver and Horford weren't dirty. What's this brotherhood nonsense?
I think the Taj Gibson one was the worst. Intentional going after someone's legs.
It's hard to tell if he was truly at fault on the Horford one, but you don't go for someone's knees. This is basketball and that's a player's livelihood.
I do think because he's a small white guy playing wreckless he's getting more flak than he should. Tony Allen bends the rules constantly holding, poking and prodding players and no one speaks out against him. Dellavedova is an easy person to lash out against cause no one is going to defend him. LeBron might say something but no one is afraid of him really
It's hard to tell if he was truly at fault on the Horford one, but you don't go for someone's knees. This is basketball and that's a player's livelihood.
I do think because he's a small white guy playing wreckless he's getting more flak than he should. Tony Allen bends the rules constantly holding, poking and prodding players and no one speaks out against him. Dellavedova is an easy person to lash out against cause no one is going to defend him. LeBron might say something but no one is afraid of him really
6-0 Finals is a great thing. However, I don't knock one guy for losing in the Finals unless I'm noting when the other guy doesn't make the Finals. That's a silly effort in trying to make your point. Jordan is the GOAT, we agree. Lebron is a stud, we agree. Long way for Lebron to go and he needs to win a bunch more to catch Jordan. He could do it.
The point is this. We forget how great Jordan was. Yea, James is having some great games, but Jordan was doing that stuff and then some. I've seen this already. In Jordan's first title he went for 31 and 11 assists per game. James has never averaged more than 7 assists in any finals series. In title #3 Jordan went for 41-9-7. Yea, but I need to watch James now to see something unique. Eff outta here.
Dellavadova is in the NBA solely to piss off the other team by being a pest. Fact.
And Pippen went for 22 9 and 8 per game in the 1993 Finals. Maybe LeBron is more like a combination of Scottie Pippen and Magic Johnson. Great all around numbers and can carry a team very far but doesn't fill up the bucket at an insane level every game.
What made Jordan great is how good of an isolation player he was. No matter what point in the game it was, giving it to him in the half court and giving him room to space you had a good chance at getting some points. Lebron has become much better at it, but is about 10% less consistent at converting in those situaions I would bet - a signicant difference over the course of a game. I think Lebron's command of an offense as a primary ball handler is superior, and his ability to initiate ball movement/take advantage of defenses focusing on him is on a Magic Johnson level, even though he's not as entertaining in that area.
What made Jordan great is how good of an isolation player he was. No matter what point in the game it was, giving it to him in the half court and giving him room to space you had a good chance at getting some points. Lebron has become much better at it, but is about 10% less consistent at converting in those situaions I would bet - a signicant difference over the course of a game. I think Lebron's command of an offense as a primary ball handler is superior, and his ability to initiate ball movement/take advantage of defenses focusing on him is on a Magic Johnson level, even though he's not as entertaining in that area.
He's also the biggest drama queen in the league. His theatrics are insufferable.
This is very true and I clearly like Lebron. Jordan and Lebron are very different players. Jordan would kill his mother to win a game. He's similar to pre-scandal Tiger in that both are probably the two most competitive people on the planet. It's part of fueled their success. It's also what made both terrible people off the court. I don't think Lebron has that same kind of killer in him. Jordan and Tiger both took this to another level.
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Swept by a team missing two of their supposedly top 3 players? Using ex Knicks (Knicks?!?!?!) to get it done? Goofy, goofy sport.
ATL was a shell of their RS selves and in reality probably don't get past WAS with a healthy Wall. They leaked oil the entire postseason. No true go-to guy and way, way too small. Also, got away from what they did well. Didn't use their bench as much as they did in RS.
does Kevin Love stay with Cleveland or does he opt out and head back to the west? Cleveland is proving its the Lebron show and everyone else is a secondary role player. not sure Love wants to be that guy. if im him i leave. lebron seems tough to play with if your not one of his friends.
The Lakers are going to bring in players. This is probably unavoidable. Expect at least two significant signings. Still doesn't mean they'll be good in the competitive WC, plus the potential of Kobe's 38-year old body going out on him, as well as chemistry concerns with Kobe possibly on his farewell tour.
GS Cleveland should be interesting. who is gonna guard Curry? then you have Thompson who can go off, Iggy who can score. Bogut, Barnes and Green can all score.
GS might be too deep and talented.
why doesnt Lee play? i always liked his game, used to be a double double machine.
GS might be too deep and talented.
why doesnt Lee play? i always liked his game, used to be a double double machine.
Lakers might try and make one more push with Kobe for his last year.
Kobe
Okafur/Towns
Boozer
Clarkson
Lin
Randle
Sacre
Free Agent #1 (Love)
Free Agent #2 (Leonard/Butler)
Kobe
Okafur/Towns
Boozer
Clarkson
Lin
Randle
Sacre
Free Agent #1 (Love)
Free Agent #2 (Leonard/Butler)
will anyone resign Lin? Kobe seemed to hate him.
Rondo would be a nice fit in LA.
Rondo
Kobe
Love
Boozer
Clarkson
Okafur/Towns
Randle
Sacre
thats a 4 seed in the west. and thats if Kobe has anything left.
Rondo would be a nice fit in LA.
Rondo
Kobe
Love
Boozer
Clarkson
Okafur/Towns
Randle
Sacre
thats a 4 seed in the west. and thats if Kobe has anything left.
Potentially too many moving parts to determine likely rankings right now. I think them getting to a 4-seed is a stretch. Maybe, if stars align it happens. Best case scenario is they challenge for last playoff spot, but subject to change in either direction depending on how the summer goes..
