Reserved: Mohammed Ali Remembered
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Probably the stupidest thing thing I've read about boxing on this site.
How do you explain Foreman knocking down new champ Frazier SIX times and getting knocked out in the 2nd round....Ali then beats Frazier in a rematch, knocks OUT Foreman to regain his title, and beats Frazier AGAIN in the greatest fight in boxing history?
I guess you're right, except in the 2 of 3 times Ali and Frazier fought?
F*cking idiot.
His mental acuity and IQ are astonishingly similar.
NickleDimer
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if somebody who looked and mumbled like frazier got shot by the police i'm sure you'd have the same reaction
subhuman POS
his mistake was mostly not following malcolm x--who even most irish pig racist posters here secretly agree was a far superior human being to you--away from the nation of islam
Ali made Frazier millions more than he probably would have if there was no Ali. Ali crash talking him made them both a lot of money. Frazier knew this.
The return of EHT might get this board through the summer. Now we just need JohnnyGenitals back.
NickleDimer
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Yea, because in the 50's & 60's there was no difference between being white or black in this country. Good point.
Don't understand your point. What does race//color have to do with answering your country's call to duty?
Ted Williams could have made the same argument Ali did. But instead, he manned up. Served his country proud. A lot of guys did in WW2, Korea, Vietnam.
If you think the Vietnam War was amoral, that's fine. I respect that opinion. But you act like only black guys were drafted to go to Vietnam. South Boston lost more kids in Vietnam than any other part of the US per capita. Pretty sure they were all white.
If you think the Vietnam War was amoral, that's fine. I respect that opinion. But you act like only black guys were drafted to go to Vietnam. South Boston lost more kids in Vietnam than any other part of the US per capita. Pretty sure they were all white.
NickleDimer
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No Vietcong ever call me Paddy.
Don't know the point of bringing Ted Willimas into this. Williams served in WWII and Korea. Ali's situation in the mid-60s was quite different than Williams.'
Ali was initially denigrated for his actions, but he was actually a trendsetter as the Vietnam war became unpopular and selective service was eliminated after it.
NickleDimer
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Yea, my bad. I forgot Ted Williams, like most whites, were looked down upon in certain areas of this country at that time. You know, you can't eat in certain restaurants or parts of restaurants, you can't ride in front of the bus, you can't drink from that water fountain, you can't attend that school, nor can you vote in this county, but you most certainly can go give your life for this country. How could I forget all of that? Again, my bad....
I agree with all of this but don't you think part of the reason Ali didn't want to fight in Vietnam was because he didn't want to get killed? Kind of like many people.
I have no idea what his reasons were. Simply pointing out that life for whites and blacks in this country at this time weren't exactly on a level playing field. And that it was very possible that fighting for one's country at that time meant something different for different people.
I think it depends on the timeline. Was Ali equally outspoken about oppression before he was drafted? If so it was genuine. If not the fear of death gave him a reason to ramp up the rhetoric. Either way, he ends up on the right side of history imo
sure they would. i'm just not going to pretend to actually know them.
But let's stay on topic. Just because Ted Williams did it doesn't mean Ali should, especially when considering he's a black man who grew up in the south. These situations aren't the same and Shoop was pretty much saying they were.
Oh wow, you mean blacks and whites overall did not have the same rights? Is that a new revelation?
If you were quoting Stripes it's: [Sgt. Hulka] "Son, there ain't no draft no more."
[Crusier]: "There was one?"