It's better than "Hope and Change". The Donald is basically Obama, with real world experience and no political experience. I'm not sure it's a good thing but it's sure entertaining. The guy doesn't even attempt to lay out a detailed argument on the issues. He's taken a page right out of Obama's book. Just tell them what they want to hear. I have no clue how long it lasts but yesterday's anti-Iran agreement rally was pure gold. No one understands selling the brand like the Donald. The American people have proven to be stupid when electing their leaders so maybe this does work? The joke is on the political establishment. Hillary's now losing to a self-proclaimed Socialist in both Iowa and NH. I keep telling myself there is no way either of these guys are electable but we re-elected Obama after proving to be incompetent. I guess anything's possible. Thoughts from the esteemed newsgroup?
We will have so much winning if I get elected
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He is entertaining but too obnoxious to be president. I think we are trying to lessen out boorish image internationally. Donald cements it. I like some of his ideas but we need some one more tactful in delivering them.
I've never understood the Hillary appeal whatsoever except among women. And on Obama - it's much easier to get re-elected than elected the first time. Yes, George H.W. Bush lost to Clinton in '92 - but that was because he was seen as a holdover from the Reagan years, and was his veep. Reagan, Clinton, GWB, Obama - they were never veeps for anyone.
But take heed, these early polls mean absolutely nothing.
But take heed, these early polls mean absolutely nothing.
I definitely understand why people say they like him because he says what a lot of people are thinking. Its one thing to say what what people are thinking, and its a whole other thing to act on those thoughts. There is a zero percent chance he will be able to act on those thoughts.
I saw two college kids wearing "make america gr8" hats over the weekend. I'm guessing they were being ironic.
I saw two college kids wearing "make america gr8" hats over the weekend. I'm guessing they were being ironic.
Did he really say what's in the thread title, or is that just the Charlie Sheen campaign slogan to come?
Donald is a sideshow, a long and entertaining one maybe, but eventually it will end. Has to. I'd be uncomfortable with Trump as President. He doesn't even try to be a politician, which I get that people like but at the end of the day is crazy. Comes off like an American version of Kim Jong Il (sp.-N. Korea guy). Just a blowhard, not a lot of work goes into his stuff.
Also, his real world experience in the last 25 years is pretty lacking IMO, unless hiring lawyers to work the bankruptcy code over a few times and being a reality show host qualifies. Kudos on the branding, fair, but he's really just extending the brand he built by the mid-'80s.
As a Republican, just glad he signed the loyalty pledge because clearly a lot of idiots are on the bandwagon.
Donald is a sideshow, a long and entertaining one maybe, but eventually it will end. Has to. I'd be uncomfortable with Trump as President. He doesn't even try to be a politician, which I get that people like but at the end of the day is crazy. Comes off like an American version of Kim Jong Il (sp.-N. Korea guy). Just a blowhard, not a lot of work goes into his stuff.
Also, his real world experience in the last 25 years is pretty lacking IMO, unless hiring lawyers to work the bankruptcy code over a few times and being a reality show host qualifies. Kudos on the branding, fair, but he's really just extending the brand he built by the mid-'80s.
As a Republican, just glad he signed the loyalty pledge because clearly a lot of idiots are on the bandwagon.
"We will have so much winning if I get elected that you may get bored with the winning," Trump said Wednesday. "Believe me, I agree, you'll never get bored with winning. We never get bored. We are going to turn this country around. We are going to start winning big on trade. Militarily, we're going to build up our military. We're going to have such a strong military that nobody, nobody is going to mess with us. We're not going to have to use it."
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Does anybody lay out a detailed plan on the issues lately? I thought that the best style in modern politics was all counterpunching. Just wait for the other guy to go out on a limb with his detailed plan and pick it apart. Don't offer an actual solution. Just make the other guy's look bad. This is what ADP does for a living, though. He knows this.
Nd, take a look at hillary's speech yesterday, all policy. Which explains why no one is inspired by her. That and she's a power hungry, souless liar.
More great stuff from Donald:
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"I don't know Ben Carson. He was a doctor, perhaps an OK doctor," Trump said during an interview with CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day." Carson, he said, is "not a great religious figure."
"But for him to criticize me on my faith is absolutely—and for him to read from the Bible in his memory—it looked like he had memorized it about two minutes before he went on stage," Trump said of a recent appearance in which Carson quoted scripture. "Ben Carson is not going to be your next president, that I can tell you."
"Frankly, he makes Jeb Bush look like the Energizer Bunny," Trump added, taking a shot at Carson's calm, measured delivery.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...-carson-religious-figure-213488#ixzz3lLYXm4X2
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"I don't know Ben Carson. He was a doctor, perhaps an OK doctor," Trump said during an interview with CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day." Carson, he said, is "not a great religious figure."
"But for him to criticize me on my faith is absolutely—and for him to read from the Bible in his memory—it looked like he had memorized it about two minutes before he went on stage," Trump said of a recent appearance in which Carson quoted scripture. "Ben Carson is not going to be your next president, that I can tell you."
"Frankly, he makes Jeb Bush look like the Energizer Bunny," Trump added, taking a shot at Carson's calm, measured delivery.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...-carson-religious-figure-213488#ixzz3lLYXm4X2
I'm being sincere when I ask this:
What real world experience does Donald Trump have? What impressive tactics has he utilized throughout his career? I honestly don't know. I know he inherited a lot of money and invested in hotels, casinos, and golf courses. Then he became extremely outspoken and started doing reality tv and other things which kept him relevant. But I really don't understand what real world experience I am supposed to be swayed by. If he's just doing this sideshow thing cause he knows it will draw attention, and he really has made sound operational decisions consistently - maybe I can stop panicking thinking he might be elected.
What real world experience does Donald Trump have? What impressive tactics has he utilized throughout his career? I honestly don't know. I know he inherited a lot of money and invested in hotels, casinos, and golf courses. Then he became extremely outspoken and started doing reality tv and other things which kept him relevant. But I really don't understand what real world experience I am supposed to be swayed by. If he's just doing this sideshow thing cause he knows it will draw attention, and he really has made sound operational decisions consistently - maybe I can stop panicking thinking he might be elected.
What real world experience did Obama have before becoming an Illinois state senator?
Harvard law professor? Requires a great deal of intelligence, but not exactly real world experience.
"Community organizing" for a few years? OK....
Harvard law professor? Requires a great deal of intelligence, but not exactly real world experience.
"Community organizing" for a few years? OK....
As I've posted many times before, there is no other job that can possibly prepare one in any real way for being President of the United States.
Governor is maybe the closest thing and it's still apples to oranges. It's a one-of-a-kind position which requires a one-of-a-kind individual to do it well.
Trump 2016!!
Governor is maybe the closest thing and it's still apples to oranges. It's a one-of-a-kind position which requires a one-of-a-kind individual to do it well.
Trump 2016!!
"Look at that face!" Trump said while sitting with a Rolling Stone reporter as Fiorina appeared on TV. "Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the face of our next president."
"I mean, she's a woman, and I'm not s'posedta say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?" Trump said, according to the magazine.
Trump did not refute the accuracy of the quote.
Isn't being a power hungry, soulless liar essentially a requirement to do the fund raising necessary to become president? Her problem is she's not as good at her phony routine for the public. The good politicians hide their act; hers is transparent.
Yep, her disdain for people really shines through. Obama was very good at faking it. At least initially.
This is why people are embracing Trump. He just doesn't give a $hit. He's been able to garner all this free press. It's actually quite brilliant and speaks to his understanding of how to sell a brand. He's basically taken that experience in the real world and applied it to politics. It's working because you have so many disenfranchised with politicians. He gets this. Now, I think he'd be a terrible President and he certainly won't get my vote. However, I'm enjoying the heck out of this and I have no idea where it ends. Pretty sure I know how it ends, badly. However, we're really in unchartered waters here. If you think about he's really taken the Obama playbook. Run as an outsider, say a bunch of things you know the base wants to hear, and don't worry about if any of this is practical/workable etc....Obama played to the liberals and used flowerly rhetoric that has no real world application. Trump does the exact same thing but uses the piss and vinegar the GOP base wants. Take the immigration stuff. We'll send them all back. Once he got the memo that was crazy talk. He then doubles down slighty by saying as long as you're a good person etc...it's hilarious and again, no way it's workable in the real world but whatever. Obama made it work, can Trump? He'll need to moderate his tone as the campaign goes on and I"m not sure he's capable. However, if he wanted to do that he could actually become a serious candidate.
If it's supposed to be someone's strength, it should be very easy to answer.
No one pretended Obama had real world business experience. He was just looked at as a strong communicator and leader with a background in civics and law.
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Ball breaking by billionaires isn't really funny. It's just being an out of touch d*ck that can say anything you want because you're secure regardless of the repercussions. Remember back when Chris Christie was the "straight shooting" 2016 GoP hopeful? He f*cked up pretty hard since then. He was even gifted a natural disaster.
Whether you like him personally or not, I'd say that Trump has far more real world experience than Obama had prior to entering politics.
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Foreign policy speeches by a former secretary of state? YAWN. Very safe. No one really gives a damn about foreign policy anyway. It's not a selling point for a candidate this election.
Perfectly summed up. If he thinks some things through, he has a shot. I just don't know if this guy has ever thought before saying something in his life. Can't teach an old dog new tricks.
I find it entertaining because he makes "the establishment" uncomfortable, particularly "journalists" who take themselves waaaay too seriously.
I am surprised that a contrarian such as yourself isn't enjoying this more.
Agree with your Christie analysis. Trump stole his thunder in a big way.
Thank you for repeating the thesis which I have heard 100000x. I was asking for proof backing up this statement. What does inheriting money and investing in real estate prepare you for that community organizing doesn't? What makes one more real than the other? I'm not trying to be funny. I think a smart person of strong character will succeed when push comes to shove. What I don't get is how owning property makes you a smart person of strong character.
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I enjoy the sh*t out of it. He's forcing people to report on the inappropriate things that he says (that no one can punish him for) and how he's forcing people to really examine how worthless politicians are if they can't prove that they're demonstrably better than this blowhard.
You're welcome. I am not repeating a thesis. I am responding to your assertion that Trump has no "real world" experience.
You make it seem like Trump owns a few $500/month apartments. The guy has been the CEO of a multibillion dollar real estate company for 30+ years.
Before becoming President, Obama was the leader of exactly nothing. Did he ever own a business? Did he ever need to make payroll? Did he have any executive/management experience at all? The answer is no.
You make it seem like Trump owns a few $500/month apartments. The guy has been the CEO of a multibillion dollar real estate company for 30+ years.
Before becoming President, Obama was the leader of exactly nothing. Did he ever own a business? Did he ever need to make payroll? Did he have any executive/management experience at all? The answer is no.
NickleDimer
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Look, I never said that he built that company "from the ground up," but the Trump Organization does employ over 22,000 people.
That must be worth something on the real world experience meter, no?
That must be worth something on the real world experience meter, no?
This is much more what I was asking for. There is certainly merit behind these qualifications. I was genuinely asking - sometimes all I can see him for is a reality tv star. But you're right - he has to be pretty good in a board room.
Is "Real World" experience akin to when folks on the right tell me that I'm not a "Real American" because I don't own a gun and a pickup truck?
What exactly is the "real world" and what is not?
Real world = Running a multibillion dollar real estate company that employs 22,000+ people
Not so much = Being a law professor in an Ivy League ivory tower and doing "community organizing"
I would say the language is actually completely reversed.
Also, what's an ivory tower?
I would disagree that the language is reversed.
It's a figure of speech that refers to academia.
Do you take everything so literally?
NickleDimer
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Nothing realer than stumbling into the role of Chief Figurehead of Your Daddy's Real Estate Empire (CFYDEE). Trump knows the struggle.