I said he was not getting past the Jet's pick at 6. Simple fact that remains more incontrovertible by the day. You were here saying he was going mid round, and was a wasted pick. Fact.
Agree 100% with the first part. I don't think the Jets GM is dumb enough to put his job on the line with Foles. He's not that good. But if you make that deal, you're essentially putting a high 1st round value on him, and saying he's a franchise QB. Last year would indicate that's not something you want to bet your career on.Originally posted by wcburrs87:
This year's #1 (20), Foles, and next year's 1st (let's say 16-24) is no way going to get it done. I just don't see how. But trust me. I hope you're right, ADP.
If Chip covets him that much then teams will sense that out and try to take him behind the woodshed. They might not make it all the way out there, but they will get close.
How many less knee injuries has he had, too?Originally posted by matty17:
Cobb is two years younger than Maclin and had more catches but a few less yards. It will be interesting to see if the Eagles will give him that type of money. If not, I will guarantee that someone else will as he would be the #1 receiver on the market.
Good point. The word seems to be that Cobb gave the Packers a discount as he could have had more on the open market. I heard today that the Eagles were at 9 million per while Maclin's camp wanted 11 million per.Originally posted by wcburrs87:
How many less knee injuries has he had, too?Originally posted by matty17:
Cobb is two years younger than Maclin and had more catches but a few less yards. It will be interesting to see if the Eagles will give him that type of money. If not, I will guarantee that someone else will as he would be the #1 receiver on the market.
how the hell do you know who pushed for him? Raiders and Jags have the most cap space IIRC, and they were in on him. would you want to play there?Originally posted by wcburrs87:
So, why didn't other teams with a lot cap space push hard for him? Not because he's not great, but because for one player that's a ton. Which usually the narrative coming for you.
Why would anyone want to play for the Dolphins? They don't ever win and their coach stinks. Ohh, besides the night club scene. I guess that's a draw.Originally posted by bmoneynova:
how the hell do you know who pushed for him? Raiders and Jags have the most cap space IIRC, and they were in on him. would you want to play there?Originally posted by wcburrs87:
So, why didn't other teams with a lot cap space push hard for him? Not because he's not great, but because for one player that's a ton. Which usually the narrative coming for you.
please list examples of when I have criticized signing the BEST PLAYER AT HIS POSITION for a team.
Exactly right. After Reggie White, Suh could be the best FA signing ever. He's one of the few difference makers at a very important position. He transforms a defense overnight. Yes, its a lot of money. However, this isn't even a risk. You know exactly what you're getting. Given where the cap went no big deal. The Fish can fit him with absolutely no issues. Gr8 signing. Let's not even start with the too much cap stuff. You could argue after JJ Watt this guy is the best defensive player in football.Originally posted by bmoneynova:
of course I am excited. this is not like giving a boatload of $$ to mediocre players. Suh is the best DT in the NFL and he is in his prime. is it a LOT of money? sure it is. is it risky? of COURSE it is. but I'd much rather take the risk on an elite player than a mediocre one.
Suh may be a top 5 free agent of all time. if you have a chance to sign a player like that, you do so.
Why weren't "good" teams banging down his door? I heard the Dolphins, Raiders, and the Jags. Umm, call me unimpressed.Originally posted by adp98:
Exactly right. After Reggie White, Suh could be the best FA signing ever. He's one of the few difference makers at a very important position. He transforms a defense overnight. Yes, its a lot of money. However, this isn't even a risk. You know exactly what you're getting. Given where the cap went no big deal. The Fish can fit him with absolutely no issues. Gr8 signing. Let's not even start with the too much cap stuff. You could argue after JJ Watt this guy is the best defensive player in football.Originally posted by bmoneynova:
of course I am excited. this is not like giving a boatload of $$ to mediocre players. Suh is the best DT in the NFL and he is in his prime. is it a LOT of money? sure it is. is it risky? of COURSE it is. but I'd much rather take the risk on an elite player than a mediocre one.
Suh may be a top 5 free agent of all time. if you have a chance to sign a player like that, you do so.
I'm not going to provide you with anything because examples of that are few and far between.Originally posted by bmoneynova:
please provide me specific examples of when the BEST PLAYER AT THEIR POSITION (in any sport) hit free agency and was signed and I criticized the deal. I already noted that its a risk and that its a crapload of money.
I can't help the fact that Philly teams have made a LOT of bad moves over the past few years. you act like I am the only one saying these things. I call them as I see them.
Seriously? Because not many "good" teams have the cap space to go spend $114 million on Suh. The teams listed are the ones with the most cap space. Miami was the obvious choice. Team is getting better and it's Miami. Miami doesn't suck and you don't even have to pay state income tax. Win-Win. If you are a major sports star Miami has to be one of the best places to go right? No state tax. No pressure and South Beach.Originally posted by wcburrs87:
Why weren't "good" teams banging down his door? I heard the Dolphins, Raiders, and the Jags. Umm, call me unimpressed.Originally posted by adp98:
Exactly right. After Reggie White, Suh could be the best FA signing ever. He's one of the few difference makers at a very important position. He transforms a defense overnight. Yes, its a lot of money. However, this isn't even a risk. You know exactly what you're getting. Given where the cap went no big deal. The Fish can fit him with absolutely no issues. Gr8 signing. Let's not even start with the too much cap stuff. You could argue after JJ Watt this guy is the best defensive player in football.Originally posted by bmoneynova:
of course I am excited. this is not like giving a boatload of $$ to mediocre players. Suh is the best DT in the NFL and he is in his prime. is it a LOT of money? sure it is. is it risky? of COURSE it is. but I'd much rather take the risk on an elite player than a mediocre one.
Suh may be a top 5 free agent of all time. if you have a chance to sign a player like that, you do so.
Anyway, no one is denying his greatness. I'm busting B$'s chops because 95% of the time he ridicules a contract, but because thus one involves the Fins h'e splashing keyboards. I found it ironic.
how many "good teams"Originally posted by wcburrs87:
Why weren't "good" teams banging down his door? I heard the Dolphins, Raiders, and the Jags. Umm, call me unimpressed.Originally posted by adp98:
Exactly right. After Reggie White, Suh could be the best FA signing ever. He's one of the few difference makers at a very important position. He transforms a defense overnight. Yes, its a lot of money. However, this isn't even a risk. You know exactly what you're getting. Given where the cap went no big deal. The Fish can fit him with absolutely no issues. Gr8 signing. Let's not even start with the too much cap stuff. You could argue after JJ Watt this guy is the best defensive player in football.Originally posted by bmoneynova:
of course I am excited. this is not like giving a boatload of $$ to mediocre players. Suh is the best DT in the NFL and he is in his prime. is it a LOT of money? sure it is. is it risky? of COURSE it is. but I'd much rather take the risk on an elite player than a mediocre one.
Suh may be a top 5 free agent of all time. if you have a chance to sign a player like that, you do so.
Anyway, no one is denying his greatness. I'm busting B$'s chops because 95% of the time he ridicules a contract, but because thus one involves the Fins h'e splashing keyboards. I found it ironic.
I give you, the Winged Cliff LeeOriginally posted by wcburrs87:
I'm not going to provide you with anything because examples of that are few and far between.Originally posted by bmoneynova:
please provide me specific examples of when the BEST PLAYER AT THEIR POSITION (in any sport) hit free agency and was signed and I criticized the deal. I already noted that its a risk and that its a crapload of money.
I can't help the fact that Philly teams have made a LOT of bad moves over the past few years. you act like I am the only one saying these things. I call them as I see them.
It has nothing to do with Philly teams. Your complaint on contracts runs across all teams, in all sports most of the time.
I better not comment because it might offend our resident board policeman!Originally posted by obriend1:
Byron Maxwell to the Birds. 6 years, 60 million, 23 guaranteed. Now go get McCourty.
Again, it has nothing to do with Philly teams. Stop bringing that into the equation.Originally posted by bmoneynova:
I give my opinion on signings just as you give your opinion on all things college basketball (and everything else, for that matter). isnt that what message boards are for?
most of the times, I'd say I ended up being RIGHT, especially when we're talking about moves that Philly teams have made. and again, you act as if I am the only person making these critiques.
because most of the time its taems overpaying for average talent, just like Miami did in 2013. just like the Eagles are about to do with Byron Maxwell. Sometimes it works out, most times it doesn't. would you agree with that?Originally posted by wcburrs87:
Again, it has nothing to do with Philly teams. Stop bringing that into the equation.Originally posted by bmoneynova:
I give my opinion on signings just as you give your opinion on all things college basketball (and everything else, for that matter). isnt that what message boards are for?
most of the times, I'd say I ended up being RIGHT, especially when we're talking about moves that Philly teams have made. and again, you act as if I am the only person making these critiques.
Listen, you comment on just about every signing, in every sport you care about, yes it's an opinion. I have zero problem with that part of it. All I'm saying is that most of the time you are against the contract being discussed. Is that an inaccurate statement by me? I don't think it is.
Ohh, by all means share it with us.Originally posted by bmoneynova:
I better not comment because it might offend our resident board policeman!Originally posted by obriend1:
Byron Maxwell to the Birds. 6 years, 60 million, 23 guaranteed. Now go get McCourty.