NickleDimer
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Holy cow! Crime goes down when you lock up a generation of young urban men based on random stops? Kinda like how we could resolve foreign relation issues with a few dozen nukes.
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NickleDimer
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Love the political debates on this board.
Person not listening to one person arguing with one person not listening to that person.
Person not listening to one person arguing with one person not listening to that person.
The language you quoted didn't say it was a breakdown only of stop and frisk arrest charges, seems like it may be arrests generally, based on the fact that many of the stops seem to be for trespass or violence. So yeah, in that sense it isn't relevant to what we were discussing, doesn't matter.
Trespassing and assault and the like are illegal and you don't need to search someone to figure out they committed the crime. If a cop wants to arrest someone for those things they can, and then can do a full search. It's not the same as "stop and frisk." If you don't want to be searched, don't do those things.
There's also no indication that all the categories are mutually exclusive as I said. So the numbers aren't too revealing. You seem tot think that if someone had drugs and a gun and was charged with possession, couldn't have had both, or drugs, a gun and stolen property, etc.
NickleDimer
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Some commie civil liberties union used NYPD data to do the simple analysis that an additional 600k annual stops (up from 100k to 700k) resulted in an increase in gun recoveries from 600/year to high 700s. 350k of those annual stops were for "furtive movements" what a loose reason to badger a person!
Maybe. Though saying we have ISIS "contained" on the morning of the Paris attacks will be real hard to beat.
I can only imagine how Obama, the left and all the press would have skewered Bush and anyone in his Admin for anything close to this. I guess Obama has his Mission Accomplished moment now.
When does Apology Tour II start?
NickleDimer
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Are we grouping different groups under the same "ISIS" umbrella, the way we kinda sorta justified prolonged military action in Iraq because of things in Afghanistan?
Ever think that individuals knowing they could be stopped, simply stopped carrying guns?
Pretty good deterrent if you ask me.
Giuliani took office in 94' and began cracking down on minor offenses like aggressive panhandling, drug possession, vagrancy, etc.. to create an environment that order would be restored. Crime in NYC dropped dramatically in all categories from murder and violent crime to burglary and assault. he later added Stop and Frisk, which Bloomberg continued. Rates continued to fall.
Check for yourself
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm
And here is a good article on Stop and Frisk cries from victims that it should return...
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2015/06/02/nyc-crime-rate-nyc-murder-rate-mayor-bill-de-blasio-nypd/
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) – With murders up double digits and his crime-fighting reputation on the line, Mayor Bill de Blasio has vowed to “get a lot of guns away from the bad guys.”
But some community activists say the answer may be a return to some type of stop, question and frisk, CBS2’s Marcia Kramer reported.
Natasha Christopher was in Grand Central on Tuesday, National Violence Awareness Day, demanding action to get guns off the street, and to mourn the loss of her 14-year-old son, Akeal, who was shot in the back of the head in Bushwick, Brooklyn.
“This was the worst possible pain I have ever experienced,” Christopher said.
With murders up almost 20 percent this year, Christopher said she fears for the safety of her two other sons. She wants the killing to stop.
“They need to bring back stop and frisk, but they need to find a better way to implement it,” Christopher said.
She has a message for Mayor de Blasio, a message from someone who knows the loss of a child.
“Please do something to save lives, because you removed stop and frisk and it has not worked. There are more children dying there are parents burying their children when it shouldn’t be happening,” Christopher said.
After the NYPD released the latest crime statistics showing shootings up for two straight years, the first time that has happened in nearly two decades, the mayor held a hastily arranged press conference and vowed action.
“We have the right approach for turning the tide and in that we will get a lot of guns away from the bad guys,” de Blasio said.
That approach involves a summer “All-Out” program that will send more than 300 cops to precincts where shootings and murders are up, many of them gang-related.
Areas targeted include the 81st Precinct in Bedford-Stuyvesant, the 44th in the Bronx, the 73rd in Brownsville, Brooklyn, the 52nd in the Bronx, and the 67th in East Flatbush, Brooklyn, Kramer reported.
NickleDimer
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holy christ. A defense of broken windows policing and stop and frisk, rolled into one, punctuated with a bolded quote by some random lady interviewed at a train station, not facts or stats.
In regards to murder rate increase... happens everywhere.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us/murder-rates-rising-sharply-in-many-us-cities.html?_r=0
There are tried and true successful methods for significantly reducing gang violence and none of them are random stop and frisk policies.
In regards to murder rate increase... happens everywhere.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/01/us/murder-rates-rising-sharply-in-many-us-cities.html?_r=0
There are tried and true successful methods for significantly reducing gang violence and none of them are random stop and frisk policies.
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Is New York's policy really to randomly stop and frisk people? If so, I agree that's not defensible.
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NickleDimer
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No, it's not random. It's based on solid police observative of "furtive movements".
Holy smokes ... Did you look at the report? The data come from the NYPD from their Stop, Question and Frisk arrests. HERE you go. If you want to argue semantics about why the classify these as part of SQF... Go argue with NYPD. When they made a stop that was part of SQF they filled out a form, unified form 250. Trespassing for example may mean they stopped someone who didn't live in the housing project property where they saw them walking. There was a five year lawsuit and a ton of coverage over that very issue.. you must have missed it.
Im not even arguing if it was a successful deterrent to crime maybe it was.. but the statement that 50% of arrests as part of SQF were on gun charges remains absurd.
Are you suggesting that this will be remembered as the "I Never Thought I'd Say This/They Just Don't Give A Damn/I Won't Miss Them" defining moment of the Obama administration?
"Just a minor set back" after over a hundred people are murdered in cold blood kinda speaks for itself. Gotta love Obama apologist's instead of admitting the stupidity the defense is well someone else said something stupid.
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NickleDimer
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Progressive historians will paint Obama as one of the greatest presidents, similar to the impression they write of FDR (suggest Steve Moore's, "New Deal Raw Deal" for those who enjoy reading history)
1. Global warming was abated.
2. Rescued the country from a financial disaster.
3. Protected the homeland from invasion.
4. Stock market increases,
5. Country became more diverse and inclusive.
Imo, Bush + Obama + Fed = Hoover + FDR + Fed. The next president will inherit a fiscal and national security calamity. Barry Soetoro will be unscathed by historians.
1. Global warming was abated.
2. Rescued the country from a financial disaster.
3. Protected the homeland from invasion.
4. Stock market increases,
5. Country became more diverse and inclusive.
Imo, Bush + Obama + Fed = Hoover + FDR + Fed. The next president will inherit a fiscal and national security calamity. Barry Soetoro will be unscathed by historians.
NickleDimer
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Please describe this national security calamity? Is it events happening on foreign soil? Or is it the lecherous invaders that came here to staff our kitchens and mowers?
So angry, quick response and three questions. Is that your thing, ask a lot of questions but rarely answer them?
NickleDimer
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What questions am i not answering? Cleanwave coming out of left field with a topic that nobody is discussing?
NickleDimer
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And here I thought that Egypt was a good ol' fashioned homegrown revolution... I guess I didn't see the writing on the wall (in thermite paint).
NickleDimer
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Happens everywhere. Lotsa people been blaming their problems on US presidents over the last 15 years.
