Roll The Tanks Back Out
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NickleDimer
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Was Bob Horry ever finals mvp? He won titles because he played with Hakeem, Shaq and Duncan. Him getting titles is a product of playing with them. Him hitting open threes is a product of playing with them.
NickleDimer
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I've been away from the board for a while, but I assume that the consensus of all the experts on here is still that the Sixers had "no choice" whatsoever but to select the guy who broke his foot practicing for the draft a couple weeks before 3rd overall, is that right?
Of course they had a choice. They had the 3rd pick. They took a calculated risk on a player that most believed was the clear cut best on the draft. They went for the home run. To date it hasn't worked.
For scoring purposes, who would have you selected?
Knicks might be saved by the increasing cap. If Phil can get someone to give anything of real value in exchange for Melo they could blossom quick. The Nets I just don't trust
Andre Iguodala missed an NBA record amount of consecutive free throws (missed 9 in a row) in the series clinching game, but cleanwave thinks he is clutch.
I am not hating on Iguodala. He deserved the MVP because his defense was the most consistent high level performance the Warriors had, and he finished most of his attempts in transition while passing the ball extremely well in spots. Very similar to what he did for the Sixers against the Heat in 2012 (or was that 11?) when they stole a game in that series. But there is no way in hell cleanwave was saying at the time that this Iguodala guy was doing wonders for Philly. They were a complete afterthought, and though the city got behind them for the playoffs, they were discussed less overall than they are today.
It really is unbelievable sometimes that the basis of this message board is basketball. It's like 70% of the posters never actually watch it
I am not hating on Iguodala. He deserved the MVP because his defense was the most consistent high level performance the Warriors had, and he finished most of his attempts in transition while passing the ball extremely well in spots. Very similar to what he did for the Sixers against the Heat in 2012 (or was that 11?) when they stole a game in that series. But there is no way in hell cleanwave was saying at the time that this Iguodala guy was doing wonders for Philly. They were a complete afterthought, and though the city got behind them for the playoffs, they were discussed less overall than they are today.
It really is unbelievable sometimes that the basis of this message board is basketball. It's like 70% of the posters never actually watch it
So the Sixers sign Pierre Jackson to a 4 year deal. So obviously they don't limit themselves to acquiring only big men with questionable injury history. Actually, I have no idea what to think about this signing, so I will wait and let people who watch more NBA than me to tell me what this means.
16pts (52%) 5 boards, 4 assists, 1.5 steals & D'ing up Lebron= NBA Final MVP
You are right about the FT misses. Pretty terrible& unclutch..but he made up for it w/4th quarter jumpers.
Just a solid all around player, current tankers only seem to like "specialists"
You are right about the FT misses. Pretty terrible& unclutch..but he made up for it w/4th quarter jumpers.
Just a solid all around player, current tankers only seem to like "specialists"
You do realize that Hinkie had nothing to do with the Igoudala trade?
Like what's been stated. He's a good, versatile player, that can help a team in many ways. He's a third wheel on a good team. Nothing wrong with that.
NickleDimer
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Maybe, some day. But as a 2nd RD pick he didn't enter the league near the same level as Igoudala, who was the 9th pick in the draft.,
Not sure the point of this question, but considering the source I'm sure the punch line is just moments away.,
Absolutely agree on the defense thing. The Bucks are putting together a hell of a defensive team - the Jazz are even better on that end. If I was a betting man I'd put a few hundred on thr Jazz eclipsing 55 wins this year - Gobert is that good.
NickleDimer
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Might want to take another look at what Iguodala did in his rookie season, pal.
I like the Jazz direction. Definitely in upward motion. You are correct about how they play defense, but I'll take under 55 at this point. To soon in a deep conference.
That's correct. They have every angle covered. Even if Embiid can never get on the court, it was still the "right pick" (despite the fact that drafting him at #3 ended up NOT being worth the risk). No realization that you are judged based on your results, not what your results could have been if things went differently.
Not sure what your point is. Igoudala started 82 games, played 30+ minutes a night, avg'd 9-6, and shot nearly 50% from field.
Are you saying KJ can be an Igoudala type done day? I wouldn't totally disagree with that. He has similar size and athleticism. I just think he has a steeper climb to get to that point.
NickleDimer
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KJ seems like exactly the type of guy you want to give major minutes on a crappy tanking team. Great talent - have him polish his game and work on certain skills. He's not going to actually win you games and hurt your lottery odds at this point yet, but could be a real nice "piece". It's a shame that they poisoned the relationship by low-balling him and had to send him off.
Here's the point: in a player dominant league, it makes sense to judge based on the soundness of the decision making.
It's literally like playing blackjack.
Anyway, I am not happy they picked Embiid. It sucks and it is absolutely terrible to have basically wasted a whole year to whiff on a guy. However, it's weird that guys like you want us to act like babies about it and cry that things should have happened differently. Do you want to hear non-stop whining that we could have had future All-NBA 3rd team Defense Aaron Gordon?
Seems like no matter how a fanbase responds to a bad thing happening to their team they are labeled as clowns. We can't change shit - he was a high level prospect and at the time it was exciting. Now it sucks. Time to move forward and hope the other players come to fruition. It's been 25 months of Hinkie
Great point. Only place he has a chance of developing an in traffic handle and offensive composure is a team where he'll get 25+ minutes a night.
I was at a cousins middle school basketball game recently. God it was ugly. But it was really frustrating to see the coach pull the bench players off the court after one mistake while the starters had free reign basically. Sure, in practice they earn their spots, but there was very little discernible talent difference. If you don't give players a sustained chance against real competition they will never develop.
That's the thing for me -- I was never excited about the Embiid pick, at all, and seeing this play out leaves a bad taste. Maybe it's just how I evaluate risk, but it seemed like the risk-reward was way out of whack for me, and he was very unlikely to have a long healthy career. The guy couldn't get through one college season, then couldn't get through draft prep, without suffering very serious injuries. And it was only one of his first few years playing hoops really.
The Sixers are still short a lot of pieces, and obviously were then. It wasn't a deep draft after the top few, I get it. But yeah, I would've taken a shot on a guy who could be one of those pieces even if not a superstar, or even taken an offer to trade down for a couple of those guys. Cap is going up and all those guys are getting more expensive.
And if the pick was as much of a no-brainer as you guys make it out to be, maybe they would've been able to trade the pick for half decent value, even if not what you would've gotten for 1 or 2. No one else in the league really thought it was worth risking anything either.
How can you say no one else in the league thought Embiid was worth the risk? Because they didn't trade the pick it means no one else wanted Embiid? Don't want to put words in your mouth but is that what you mean?
All the scouting services had Embiid in the top 3. Find me one mock draft from a reputable source from June 2014 or earlier with Embiid outside the top 3 and I'll agree.
This wasn't the Anthony Bennett pick by the Cavs. Maybe I was dumb for having hope for Embiid. But to say that the Sixers did something no other team would have done is incredibly misleading.
All the scouting services had Embiid in the top 3. Find me one mock draft from a reputable source from June 2014 or earlier with Embiid outside the top 3 and I'll agree.
This wasn't the Anthony Bennett pick by the Cavs. Maybe I was dumb for having hope for Embiid. But to say that the Sixers did something no other team would have done is incredibly misleading.
Kudos to you for being right btw. I 100% wish Hinkie had the same thought process you did. I'm just not going to go around calling for heads when a lot of smart people endorsed the Embiid pick. Shit, if anything, the general public was upset that such a talented player was going to the wasteland that is the Sixers.
. It's just a very unfortunate situation and I hope he has a resurgence a la Shaun Livingston, in Phila or somewhere else.
. It's just a very unfortunate situation and I hope he has a resurgence a la Shaun Livingston, in Phila or somewhere else.
You're the worst man. I edited it before you even replied cause I realized one of your types would go up in arms about it.
He has a better natural shooting touch than Tim Duncan - not a big feat considering Duncan is a career 69% free throw shooter. For a big man of his size and skill level to be a good offensive player, he does not need to be a great shooter. But Embiid's mechanics after 4 years of basketbal were incredible at his position. But because a bone in his foot isn't healthy it means the guy couldn't possibly have been a good shooter.
Once again, another guy who doesn't watch basketball trying to snipe in cracks while never contributing anything of substance
I can't believe I'm going on a pro-Embiid rant right now when it is such a lost cause haha. Look what you cheeks make me do
I have watched enough basketball to know even if Tim Duncan was injured he would have been the 1st pick in the NBA draft that year. Teams were lining up to tank for him and him alone. It took one team 10 years to get back from not winning the draft and getting at top 3 pick. Embiid was a top 3 pick.
All of you guys make it sound like injuries are the reason why you don't have 3 all-stars and are a perennial title contender ever year.
Just stop.
NickleDimer
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Sweet straw man!
My single point is that you can not consider Embiid the "right pick" if he never suits up. At that point, you gambled and lost. Man up and admit the mistake, don't just keep telling yourself that you played it right.