Fair point, but be it Islam or Joker or Sandy Hook or Columbine or the literally dozens of other mass shootings we have here - is there any reason to go any more crazy over The ones driven by Islam? This guy's just another psychotic murderer. I don't care about his reason all that much. Loyal to Isis, didn't like gay people , wife didn't do his laundry - who cares ? He's a psycho. The next one won't be Islam in all likelihood. It will be something else - some other nut job pissed off about something else.
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Obviously psychotic. Hatred of gays and mistreatment of women are unheard of in Islam.
I mostly agree with you. Every mass shooting should draw outrage from the public. However, if a higher percentage start coming from one group, a group that has publicly condemned the Anerican/Western way of life, then that is certainly going to put more fear into people. Thus, drawing more attention.
With that said, there are probably always going to be random wackos that do this type of thing, too. It's a different type or form of illness/disturbance. One example you have sick people. The other example you have sick people doing it for some of warped cause or belief.
Obviously psychotic. Hatred of gays and mistreatment of women are unheard of in Islam.
Westboro Baptist Church? Obviously there are many problem within Islam. And there are many problems within a lot of sick Aholes. I just don't want to discern between this murderer and say Anders Behring. What is the difference? It's always in the name of something....
List of the 30 deadliest mass shootings in the US - how many are Mooslims?
Events: 50 killed – June 12, 2016 – Pulse nightclub in Orlando, Florida. Omar Saddiqui Mateen, 29, shoots 50 people to death inside Pulse, a gay nightclub. Police shot and killed Mateen after he briefly held some people hostage.
32 killed – April 16, 2007 – Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Virginia. A gunman, 23-year-old student Seung-Hui Cho, goes on a shooting spree killing 32 people in two locations and wounds an undetermined number of others on campus. The shooter, Seung-Hui Cho then commits suicide.
27 killed – December 14, 2012 – Sandy Hook Elementary School – Newtown, Connecticut. Adam Lanza, 20, guns down 20 children, ages six and seven, and six adults, school staff and faculty, before turning the gun on himself. Investigating police later find Nancy Lanza, Adam’s mother, dead from a gunshot wound. The final count is 28 dead, including the shooter.
23 killed – October 16, 1991 – In Killeen, Texas, 35-year-old George Hennard crashes his pickup truck through the wall of a Lubys Cafeteria. After exiting the truck, Hennard shoots and kills 23 people. He then commits suicide.
21 killed – July 18, 1984 – In San Ysidro, California, 41-year-old James Huberty, armed with a long-barreled Uzi, a pump-action shotgun and a handgun shoots and kills 21 adults and children at a local McDonalds. A police sharpshooter kills Huberty one hour after the rampage begins.
18 killed – August 1, 1966 – In Austin, Texas, Charles Joseph Whitman, a former U.S. Marine, kills 16 and wounds at least 30 while shooting from a University of Texas tower. Police officers Ramiro Martinez and Houston McCoy shoot and kill Whitman in the tower. Whitman had also killed his mother and wife earlier in the day.
14 killed – December 2, 2015 – Married couple Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik open fire on an employee gathering taking place at Inland Regional Center in San Bernardino, killing 14 people.
14 killed – August 20, 1986 – Edmond, Oklahoma, part-time mail carrier, Patrick Henry Sherrill, armed with three handguns kills 14 postal workers in 10 minutes and then takes his own life with a bullet to the head.
13 killed – November 5, 2009 – Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan kills 13 people and injures 32 at Fort Hood, Texas, during a shooting rampage. He is convicted and sentenced to death.
13 killed – April 3, 2009 – In Binghamton, New York, Jiverly Wong kills 13 people and injures four during a shooting at an immigrant community center. He then kills himself.
13 killed – April 20, 1999 – Columbine High School – Littleton, Colorado. 18-year-old Eric Harris and 17-year-old Dylan Klebold kill 12 fellow students and one teacher before committing suicide in the school library.
13 killed – February 18, 1983 – Three men enter the Wah Mee gambling and social club in Seattle, rob the 14 occupants and then shoot each in the head, killing 13. Two of the men, Kwan Fai Mak and Benjamin Ng, are convicted of murder in August 1983. Both are serving life in prison. The third, Wai-Chiu “Tony” Ng, after years on the run in Canada, is eventually convicted of first-degree robbery and second-degree assault. He is deported to Hong Kong in 2014.
13 killed – September 25, 1982 – In Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, 40-year-old George Banks, a prison guard, kills 13 people including five of his own children. In September 2011, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court overturns his death sentence stating that Banks is mentally incompetent.
13 killed – September 5, 1949 – In Camden, New Jersey, 28-year-old Howard Unruh, a veteran of World War II, shoots and kills 13 people as he walks down Camden’s 32nd Street. His weapon of choice is a German-crafted Luger pistol. He is found insane and is committed to a state mental institution. He dies at the age of 88.
12 killed – September 16, 2013 – Shots are fired inside the Washington Navy Yard killing 12. The shooter, identified as Aaron Alexis, 34, is also killed.
12 killed – July 20, 2012 – Twelve people are killed and 58 are wounded in a shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater screening of the new Batman film. James E. Holmes, 24, is taken into custody outside of the movie theater. The gunman, dressed head-to-toe in protective tactical gear, set off two devices of some kind before spraying the theater with bullets from an AR-15 rifle, a 12-gauge shotgun and at least one of two .40-caliber handguns police recovered at the scene.
12 killed – July 29, 1999 – In Atlanta, 44-year-old Mark Barton kills his wife and two children at his home. He then opens fire in two different brokerage houses killing nine people and wounding 12. He later kills himself.
10 killed – March 10, 2009 – In Alabama, Michael McLendon of Kinston, kills 10 and himself. The dead include his mother, grandparents, aunt and uncle.
9 killed – October 1, 2015 – Gunman Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shoots and kills nine people, injuring another nine, at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon. The shooter dies after a gun battle with police at the college. Six weapons were recovered at the school; another seven were recovered at Harper-Mercer’s home.
9 killed – June 17, 2015 – Dylann Roof, 21, shoots and kills nine people inside the historic Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, in Charleston, South Carolina. Eight die at the scene; a ninth dies at a hospital. Roof is arrested the following day; according to police, he confesses and tells investigators he wanted to start a race war.
9 killed – March 21, 2005 – Red Lake High School, Red Lake, Minnesota. 16-year-old Jeff Weise kills his grandfather and another adult, five students, a teacher and a security officer. He then kills himself.
9 killed – August 10, 1991 – Six monks, a nun, a monk in training and a temple worker are found shot to death at Wat Promkunaram, a Buddhist temple in Waddell, Arizona. Johnathan Doody, 17, and Alessandro Garcia, 16, are later convicted of the crime and receive multiple life sentences.
9 killed – June 18, 1990 – In Jacksonville, Florida, 42-year-old James Pough, angry about his car being repossessed, opens fire at a General Motors Acceptance Corp. office, killing nine people. Pough takes his own life.
8 killed – October 12, 2011 – Eight people are killed during a shooting at the Salon Meritage in Seal Beach, California. The suspect, Scott Evans Dekraai, 41, of Huntington Beach, is arrested without incident as he is trying to leave the scene. The eight dead include Dekraai’s ex-wife, Michelle Fournier, 48. He was armed with three guns — a 9 mm Springfield, a Smith & Wesson .44 Magnum, and a Heckler & Koch .45 — and was wearing body armor during the shooting rampage.
8 killed – August 3, 2010 – Manchester, Connecticut – Omar Thornton kills eight co-workers at Hartford Distributors before turning the gun on himself. Thornton had been asked to resign for stealing and selling alcoholic beverages.
8 killed – January 19, 2010 – Christopher Speight, 39, kills eight people at a house in Appomattox, Virginia. He surrenders to police at the scene the next morning. February 2013, he is sentenced to five life terms plus 18 years.
8 killed – March 29, 2009 – In Carthage, North Carolina, 45-year-old Robert Stewart kills a nurse and seven elderly patients at a nursing home. In May, the Moore County district attorney announces she will seek the death penalty. On September 3, 2011, a jury finds Stewart guilty of second-degree murder. Stewart is sentenced to 141 to 179 years in prison.
8 killed – December 5, 2007 – In Omaha, Nebraska, 19-year-old Robert Hawkins goes to an area mall and kills eight shoppers before killing himself.
8 killed – July 1, 1993 – In San Francisco, 55-year-old Gian Luigi Ferri kills eight people in a law office and then kills himself.
8 killed – September 14, 1989 – In Louisville, Kentucky, 47-year-old Joseph Wesbecker armed with a AK-47 semiautomatic assault rifle, two MAC-11 semiautomatic pistols, a .38 caliber handgun, a 9-millimeter semiautomatic pistol and a bayonet kills eight co-workers at Standard Gravure Corporation and then kills himself. He had been placed on disability leave from his job due to mental problems.
That's exactly the point burrs. I couldn't agree more. You don't see Episcopaleans carrying out terror attacks all over the world. To deny that these are not radical Islamic terror attacks is to hide your head in the sand. That, of course, is not to say that all Muslims are terrorists.
That proves nothing, Anarchy. NOBODY is saying there haven't been other whackos who've killed people. Kind of odd, Anarchy, that you left 911 off your list (I guess because it shoots an enormous hole in your argument.) After 911 I took the time to read the Quran because I wanted to understand how a religion could motivate some of its followers to such hatred. Those who say Islam is a religion of peace are correct on the surface. It preaches the same kind of love and peace as other major religions. There's one huge caveat, however. The Quran goes on to say that if you can't convert infidels to Islam peacefully, you must kill them in the name of Allah. It is also the duty of every Muslim to bring about the final world conflict to establish the worldwide Caliphate that will usher in the return of the Prophet. So, in other words, if all else fails, kill anyone who doesn't follow your religious beliefs. That's what civilized peace loving societies are up against so we damn well better recognize the danger and call it what it is or things will only get worse!
Lots of immigrants on that list. Oh wait, this latest guy was born here, so he's as American as you and me
Actually if you went into that list - there are plenty of religious reasons, race reasons, mental illness, PTSDreasons and of course Islam. I'm not hear arguing that religious and Islamic extremists are not part of the problem. I'm just not going to sit here and ignore the dozens of other mass shootings that happen for some other reason and go off the handle when the arrow lands on Islam. It's just another day in the USA. Far as the Q'ran, there is plenty of killing and effed up shit in the Bible that people still take literally- and people kill in the name of it frequently. Even now. Let's not act like they don't.
But, let's go nuts because this guy joined was a Moooslim - and ignore the others as just some crazy guy.
Was 9-11 a mass shooting? I thought they used planes..
Tell me the difference between Dylan Roof, Dylan Kleebold, Anders Behring and Omar Mateen?
Dmil, again I see your point and mostly agree. I do think these Islamic type massacres might be in their infantile stages in terms of how frequently they occur. Your list has events that go back some years.
Also, I now the list says shootings, but I'm pretty sure 9/11 was significant despite not using guns. The Boston bombing only killed three, but 264 were injured.
Also, I now the list says shootings, but I'm pretty sure 9/11 was significant despite not using guns. The Boston bombing only killed three, but 264 were injured.
What a dick. Using wordplay to gloss over the murder of 3,000 people in the name of a fake god.
As if the fact that they used planes adds anything to your original argument.
I cited mass shootings - the most common weapon in terrorism. And then cited the top 30 in the US. No word play. Just simple facts.
Ok, then you're making a gun argument. Not a mass murder argument. 9/11 alone killed nearly ten times the amount of people on your entire list.
There's as much of a chance for that to happen as for me to be drafted by the NBA, cleanwave!
The major difference is pretty simple, Anarchy. See my post above about what's in the Quran regarding killing anyone who refuses to follow your religious doctrines.
So killing in the name of Allah is worse than killing in the name of some other reason? Like starting a race war or being anti gov't?
Ok, so your point is that its ok to ignore a recurring theme in many terrorist attacks because it's pretty much a "there will always be whackos" mentality.
And furthering that line of thought, it would be absurd to think that there may be an institution promoting this ideology and producing more of them.
Thats good to know. I was starting to worry that radical Islam was a real thing.
Where did i say it was ok to ignore any of the reasons? Solid straw man attempt. Or that there wasn't some places promoting this kind of thing within Islam? But have ever been on the Internet? You can pretty much find any hate group you want, and they promote a lot of violence. And a lot of people act on it.
Is you contention that radical islam is the only problem? Seems like it.
There's a difference between launching a war on islam and acknowledging that terrorist attacks are often linked to radical islam, bud.
And even so, you sound like a huge pussy for fearing the repercussions of standing up for yourself.
It is not. My problem is with people who pretend that radical Islam is not a problem.
The old "what difference does it make" argument. I assume you're voting for Hilliart.
Where did I day we shouldn't stand up for ourselves? Start by banning weapons that make it easy to murder 100 people in a couple minutes. Ramp up domestic intelligence gathering to better identify all nut jobs and use it for all background checks prior to being allowed to purchase a gun.
Who said it wasn't a problem? We're dedicating literally hundreds of billions of dollars to this problem. Pretty sure we know it's an issue. It's quite far form our one problem. And it's not nearly as big a problem as it's made out to be. We scare awfully easy since 9-11.
No.......Omar isn't close to being as American as me.........maybe as American as you.....
An answer to what? You've yet to even acknowledge that radical Islam is a problem.
More people died Saturday night, and every single day, of alcohol, drugs and auto accidents than at the hands of this gunman. Waiting for Obama to declare war against alcohol and motor vehicles as opposed to "gun control".
This world has a problem. An asshole problem. If only we could control it.
This world has a problem. An asshole problem. If only we could control it.
You can't answer what the difference is between Omar Mateen and Dylan Roof and any other Ahole that kills because he's got some offed up issue. ahh, but one is mooslum and one just hates black people. Mooslum is much worse to you it seems. Much more of a problem.
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There you go again. I never said that. You're more slippery than a d%@k covered in KY! If you can't even acknowledge that there are killers motivated by a perverted form of their religion then there's no reason to continue this discussion any further. Just tell your views to the surviving relatives of the victims of the Hobart Towers, the Zahidis (sp), the Cole, 911, Ft. Hood, San Bernardino, Paris, Brussels, Kenya, Bali, Orlando and countless other places. Be sure to also express your views to the parents of Christian children who have been crucified by ISIS or the gays who have been thrown off the roofs of buildings just for being gay. Maybe you should also tell the families of the women in the Middle East who have been sold as sex slaves by ISIS. I'm sure they'll all understand and agree with you!
I've acknowledged it all along. It's not been terribly hard to see. But I don't single it out as any more or less dangerous than the myriad of other reasons why people shoot lots of other people. That's the difference. This guy was a woman abusing nut case who was probably a latent homosexual that didnt even have the balls be live his life - Dylan Roof was a racist who wanted to start a race war. You can be like the jack wad in Norway and be pissed your country isn't 100% white and Christian any longer. Be like the guy in Colorado who thought abortionist deserved to die. Or the guy who thought he was the Joker. I don't see a big difference, and since we've had nearly 1000 mass shootings since Newtown - it seems like there might be plenty of reasons why people kill other people. Islamic extremism is just one. Not any more frequent in this country than any other. So why give the Islamist more attention than the others? Doesn't make sense to me. They all think it's for glory. I'm not interested in giving it to them. This guy was a woman abusing homophobe Islamic. Pick one, pick all three. What you're excuse for the guy in Santa Monica? He was white and from indiana.
Isis is not most Mooslims. If most Mooslims were like Isis, we'd all be in trouble. We're pretty badly outnumbered.